Why is ap suddenly considered as weak?

fééd l0rd·8/17/2017, 4:44:30 PM·19 votes·1,796 views

ap champions still are top 25 win rates for mid lane, only exceptions are Jayce and talon who have ridiculous early games.

So why is ap considered weak? Does syndra need 1200 ap to oneshot squishies?

Mages aren't supposed to be tank busters (besides ryze and azir who are both garbage tier).

Mages might struggle to burst squishies when the enemy team has too many shields etc but it's the same for assassins and bruisers who even have to get close, considering there is so much fucking cc in this game too.

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Vhan87658/17/2017, 5:00:02 PM13 votes

Because League is nothing but bandwagons.

Remember how a bit ago everyone was screaming Death's Dance was overpowered? Remember how Death's Dance never got any nerfs? That's because the League community is the best at tripping over themselves at second's notice.

Lauchmelder8/17/2017, 5:13:48 PM11 votes

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ap champions still are top 25 win rates for mid lane, only exceptions are Jayce and talon who have ridiculous early games.

So why is ap considered weak? Does syndra need 1200 ap to oneshot squishies?

Mages aren't supposed to be tank busters (besides ryze and azir who are both garbage tier).

Mages might struggle to burst squishies when the enemy team has too many shields etc but it's the same for assassins and bruisers who even have to get close, considering there is so much fucking cc in this game too.

Jayce Talon Yasuo Zed Corki

vs

Ahri Anivia Annie AurelionSol Azir Brand Cassiopeia Ekko Fizz Katarina Leblanc Lissandra Lux Orianna Ryze Syndra TwistedFate Veigar Velkoz Xerath ZiggsMalzahar Zilean

I WONDER FUCKING WHY! Jesus christ you people seem to never even try to understand this.

Here's the % (unless I royally fucked up the math):

% of AP mids in the overall top 25: - 26.09% of the AP mid roster % of AD mids in the overall top 25: - 16.66% of the AD mid roster

If one more AP mid enters the top 25 it becomes 30.43% If one more AD mid enters the top 25 it becomes 33.32%

hhaavviikk8/17/2017, 9:57:01 PM9 votes

that's like saying ADC'S aren't weak because adc's are in the top 25 for bot win rates, or junglers aren't weak because junglers are in the top 25 win rate in the jungle...

XLC8/17/2017, 5:04:39 PM6 votes

While I'll agree with you that AP's not really weak, the win rates with mid lane aren't impactful statistics.

  1. AD champions mid have a tendency to hamper the team comp because full AD sucks and you can't get a lot of AP from other roles without going down the current tier list, causing factors other than actual strength to influence the win rate.

  2. Win rate isn't everything anyway. Fiddlesticks is the top champion by winrate right now, and I don't think Fidd mid is really that big of an issue.

Also, you conveniently stop at 25, with zed being at 26. Not a major factor, but... still. I feel obligated to note it.

Ahristocats8/17/2017, 5:08:02 PM4 votes

for sure, win rate means everything

1025kilu8/18/2017, 12:53:38 AM3 votes

When you compare AD vs AP mid-lane it looks like mages are strong due to them being picked more but its the fact that assassin's are currently worse off than mages in team-fights due to their inability to team-fight/kill the adc effeciently as well as the fact if they had ad mids the team would quickly become all ad the problem isn't that assasin's/ mages are actually weak it is that none of them can burst an adc with their support constantly hovering them. Then when mid-game comes along if you aren't fed off of your opponent or the adc wasn't shut down heavily early game, most mids wont be able to touch the adc and become virtual supports for their adc by peeling. What people shoud be asking for is nerfs to adc damage or nerfs to a supports shield/heal strength.

WoonStruck8/18/2017, 5:20:47 AM2 votes

Pretty much solely item 3155, which IS honestly an item that warrants nerfs.

The moment someone buys it, an AP's laning presence is nullified. Compare to Seekers. The difference in power between the two is massive.

Salson8/18/2017, 7:46:27 AM1 votes

Because they are balanced against each other.

Jungle dominates early, then falls to shit, catch up exp is cute and all, but you need gold to carry.

Mid gets outcarried by adc, with a third of effort.

So yeah Mid and Top need buffs, Jungle needs a power shift, Bot needs nerfs in both roles.

aqours fanboy8/18/2017, 5:12:22 AM1 votes

Being an AP but a melee in mid lane that isn't Kassadin zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

LegendmakerGX8/18/2017, 5:34:34 AM1 votes

I only see mid ap champion who spam their ability as busted at the moment compare to the other ap mids. Orianna Taliyah Syndra Cassiopeia are champion that all got nerf and for a good reason they have low win rate but that's because a lot of bad players also use them and it effect the win rate ratio. You wonder why Riot nerf these ap? It's because they can spam their ability and wave clear so fast with practically 1 ability 1-2 in a instant and they also have a crazy burst compare to all the other ap right now.

Jeanne fan club8/18/2017, 6:04:05 AM1 votes

Because relative to crit abusers Mages are pretty worthless. The only 2 things mages are good for right now is waveclear and utility. I mean there is a reason corki and lucian are played mid in most lcs games, they can abuse crit which makes their autos do more than abilities throughout the game. Alright, lucian mostly because he synergizes well with on-hits and he can play like a ranged kassasin because of his E cd reduction per auto but still.

The only viable mages in the lcs are all utility mages like Ori and taliyah. The only exceptions are cassio viktor and syndra, but i don't see them get played nearly as often as the other 4. Other than abusing crit, lucian and corki mid are also super good into the utility mages because of their burst and all in capabilities..

Shablagoo8/18/2017, 6:34:58 AM1 votes

Funny too because despite assassins being non-existent late game or brusiers literally dropping of the meta pretty much mages still have high winrates and have the whole season, the literally the class that has been doing consistently well despite being "weak". Also I dont see how they can possible be useless even when behind, compared to most brusiers or assassins they still offer great cc and poke something that they most other classes other then tanks, and some divers have. But you "ap itemizations sucks we want to abuse broken items like duskblade too" except for the fact ad assassins literally had useless items for so long.

Also you have more reliable burst compared to assassins mages hit their skill shots. I genuinely think mages are the most stable class as of now, they deal great dmg, most arent even broken, are great at every stage, deal great dmg, aren't out of control like assassins become, not useless as jugg's, not broken as tanks, not brain dead and ridiculous as some adc's have become, not broken shielding for adc's not, they offer utility, dmg, and another reliable source of dmg especially if you are the only ap champion on the team you are helping out alot by lessing the amount of armor tanks get. Like what is there really to complain about?

420 grams8/17/2017, 4:54:46 PM1 votes

Who said ap is weak? Also ryze is God tier, not garbage