Is S6 going to be the death of competitive league?

Commando Yi·Nov 4, 2015·5 votes·1,078 views

i do not see any point in playing ranked if the people who play solo are ranked under the same system as 5 man premades

ranked just becomes a rush to see who can form the best 5 man groups

11 Comments

TeCoolMageNov 4, 20155 votes

le gasp

By making LoL into a more team based game, we'll all be forced to compete based on our team! Riot has ruined our lives again by forcing us to use important life skills like leadership and respect! This really is the end of competitive play!

Commando YiNov 4, 20152 votes

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le gasp

By making LoL into a more team based game, we'll all be forced to compete based on our team! Riot has ruined our lives again by forcing us to use important life skills like leadership and respect! This really is the end of competitive play!

it already was a team based game

your inability to climb solo is just a reflection of your individual skill level

GLV BeamerNov 4, 20153 votes

I agree with commando. Saying that it is to make it more team based is stupid because the main reason many people can't climb is because they are bad team players. And now they decided they would punish the people who could work as a team with randoms why?

Unlucky Number7Nov 4, 20152 votes

no. they couldn't climb because they didn't have the mechanical skill and twitch based reflexes to snow ball the game and become a one man carry. solo que reworded individual skill over teamwork and coordination.

GLV BeamerNov 4, 20152 votes

Thanks for the input I can kinda see why riot did it now :)

TeCoolMageNov 5, 20151 votes

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it already was a team based game

your inability to climb solo is just a reflection of your individual skill level

Well let's look at your original argument:

i do not see any point in playing ranked if the people who play solo are ranked under the same system as 5 man premades

ranked just becomes a rush to see who can form the best 5 man groups

Which is: There is no point in the ranked game mode because people who are good at working with solo queue players, and people who are good at working in a premade are lumped together in one game.

I.e. There is no point in playing a ranked game because there is more focus on getting a team that works best for the player. The point of ranked is nullified if 5 man teams are put with solo queue teams

I.e. Focus on getting a team that works best for the player is bad, and these changes will take focus away from individual skill, which is supposedly good because it is what makes ranked not bad.

At least that's the only way I can see the two statements: "I do not see any point in playing ranked" and "ranked just becomes a rush to see who can form the best 5 man groups" being related in any way as that's the main point of team games.

Commando YiNov 5, 20151 votes

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Well let's look at your original argument:

Which is: There is no point in the ranked game mode because people who are good at working with solo queue players, and people who are good at working in a premade are lumped together in one game.

I.e. There is no point in playing a ranked game because there is more focus on getting a team that works best for the player. The point of ranked is nullified if 5 man teams are put with solo queue teams

I.e. Focus on getting a team that works best for the player is bad, and these changes will take focus away from individual skill, which is supposedly good because it is what makes ranked not bad.

At least that's the only way I can see the two statements: "I do not see any point in playing ranked" and "ranked just becomes a rush to see who can form the best 5 man groups" being related in any way as that's the main point of team games.

i play ranked solo queue to measure my own skill level

5v5's measures your team's skill level

DrCyanideNov 4, 20153 votes

Have you ever played Normals? In Normals, premade 5 man teams are paired against the other premade 5 man teams (or a 4 man team with a solo queued player), yet it's technically the same queue as the "solo queue" for Normals.

I suspect a similar system will happen here, trying to match a duo against a duo, a trio against a trio, etc. The two teams will be balanced that way. The skill set will shift from how well five random players can coordinate to how well can premades and solos adapt given that the premade inevitably has its own quirks. In theory, if these players were already playing ranked solo then they should mesh just as seamlessly as the old system.

Personally, I'm very excited about this change. I'm a Mid main, and regularly play with friends that are a Support main and a Jungle main. We'd be watching the map for each other, voice how the matchups were doing, talk each other out of dumb plays and coordinate smarter ones. When I started doing ranked, even duo queue was hard because of the loss of one member. Our view of the situation felt drastically narrowed, and there was less feedback on what we should and shouldn't do.

In light of that, I don't consider adding premade queues into ranked the decline of competition, but the rise of it. If three Silver level players playing together in Ranked play at a high Gold level, then the competition you have just got better.

Commando YiNov 4, 20151 votes

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Have you ever played Normals? In Normals, premade 5 man teams are paired against the other premade 5 man teams (or a 4 man team with a solo queued player), yet it's technically the same queue as the "solo queue" for Normals.

I suspect a similar system will happen here, trying to match a duo against a duo, a trio against a trio, etc. The two teams will be balanced that way. The skill set will shift from how well five random players can coordinate to how well can premades and solos adapt given that the premade inevitably has its own quirks. In theory, if these players were already playing ranked solo then they should mesh just as seamlessly as the old system.

Personally, I'm very excited about this change. I'm a Mid main, and regularly play with friends that are a Support main and a Jungle main. We'd be watching the map for each other, voice how the matchups were doing, talk each other out of dumb plays and coordinate smarter ones. When I started doing ranked, even duo queue was hard because of the loss of one member. Our view of the situation felt drastically narrowed, and there was less feedback on what we should and shouldn't do.

In light of that, I don't consider adding premade queues into ranked the decline of competition, but the rise of it. If three Silver level players playing together in Ranked play at a high Gold level, then the competition you have just got better.

i have done solo queue and ranked 5's with friends from my mmr

it is a world of difference, i prefer solo queue

LapisNov 4, 20151 votes

No, S6 is not going to be the death of competitive league.

DannyDannyCraneFeb 12, 20161 votes

Soloq is destroyed with this stupid new system i dont understand the logic behind it!!! If i want a premade team i will build one and play with my friends if i dont want to i will play alone and have fun!! This system not only destroyed soloq it took fun out of the game and soon if they dont change it, I will delete it because there is enough games to play! why change something that was working?