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assassins who also dps

AmetDeCrypt··1 votes·462 views

can someone explain this concept to me. champions like Khazix Nidalee Nocturne XinZhao MasterYiAlistar that have amazing burst and early game power like assassins because that's their classification but also have amazing dps because a combo of

  1. low cooldowns
  2. crits for amazing lategame damage to tanks why not
  3. damage baked into their auto attacks and in some cases
  4. all 3 (4?) they jump on you with massive scalings and bases and one shot you. and then turn around and one shot the tanks with that same damage. it's always been the bane of my existence whether I play top or bot because the moment they get their one item power spike they're off critting for 400 500 + WOOHAA and I can't even begin to tank them. in some cases they're just obnoxious low elo stompers and in other cases they're uber competetive. I just don't GET why they are allowed to have the best of all worlds. damage of all sorts, mobility and safety, and in some cases tanking power for no goddam reason other than they want to.

I didn't mention jax or yasuo because they are gated by a poor early game QoL and mandatory farm time with low base damages usually into a good lategame and WAY less upfront burst also the alistar was a joke before anyone notes on that I did that on purpose

I do that.

9 Comments

Edge of Daybreak2 votes

Alistar? Seriously? Like I've seen thousands of assassin complaint post but this is a first to see a tank like alistar listed in one.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

also the alistar was a joke before anyone notes on that I did that on purpose

[zombie-brand-clap]

PhantomGG1 votes

Kha Zix Nidalee

are assassins who are about getting off the full combo, each ability in that combo doesn't do all that much damage, but all of them put together does. This was implimented to make them more fair to allow room for counter play. If nidalee doesn't complete her Cat form/ W/E/Q combo than she will do near no damage. Kha is the same story except its Get passive up, E/W/Q/auto if they are still alive. kayn and reworked Rengar was also designed the exact same way. If you have a problem with this, than the only other solution is to just put all their power into a single button, which is toxic and lacks counter play.

As for your other points. First off Almost no one here calls nocturne, through alistar a assasin, like what? Xin Those are bruisers. One of theme is even getting a rework as we speak!

Damage baked into their autos? I have never recalled being killed by a nida auto or a Kha zix auto.

Massive scalings? one of the reasons no one likes Nidalee is for like lee sin, she is so fucking useless past 20 minutes.

Than this whole crit thing..some of the champs in this list have no crits at all. Honestly this just feels like a awkward as fuck list of champions you hate, calling them assasins when they arent.

here is a list of assasins.

Ahri Akali Ekko Evelynn Fizz Kassadin Katarina Kayn Khazix Leblanc Nidalee Rengar Talon Zed notice how they all share the theme of mobility, a burst combo, and primarly caster based, with mediocore autos. Some better than others

Now here is a list of bruisers/fighters Kayle Camille Aatrox MasterYi XinZhao Tryndamere Jax Shyvana Nocturne

They are all primarly auto based, focus on walking up to you, witha method to get to you, and to kill you with autos.

The champions on this list don't resemble assassins at all, so how you made this confusion is beyond me.

HeresyHorus2 votes

Khazix Zed Talon Rengar mediocre autos ?! ...

Try to say that again after u face those who used item 3031 item 3046 in their build ( Rengar Talon players do it a lot ).

I said it before and will keep saying it again, item 3812 item 3046 item 3031 combo is too good to be ignored by any AD champ. cuz it gives u everything ( Burst + DpS + Sustain + Tank + Utility ).

item 3812 item 3046 is too easy to fit in any AD inventory and gives way too much benefits even on things like DrMundo ( adds too much value to his HP/Resists stacking build + his Passive and Ult ).

Executioner

Dont remind me of that shit. I got nightmares.

AmetDeCrypt1 votes

yi and nocturne are classified assassins and they have the burst to back that claim up. xin I dunno about classification but he certainly has a tonne of frontloaded damage that only mildly peters off as the fight goes on and he drain tanks everything. I said in some cases, nidalee has crits but not autos, nocturne may not have crits but he has a lot of cc and a spellshield to go with his burst. of those assassins Akali Ekko Fizz Kassadin Khazix and the ones mentioned by heresy kha'zix speficially has ok to good autos and a very low cooldown q which I'm counting in DPS not being entirely auto based.

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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AmetDeCrypt1 votes

that's my deal. they are in fact quite mobile. with resettable dashes or just low cooldown mobility, sustain in the form of self healing, defensive steroids of their own, CC, mobility, dps and in built offensive steroids. XinZhao has a low cooldown dash that does a lot of damage, attack speed scalings, a self heal and crit, knockup, armor shred and a disengage for everyone but one target or just everyone. MasterYi has a dash that is also a free fizz e on a lower cooldown that is reset on auto attacks AND does a lot of damage, a heal that also makes him tankier mostly for jungle camps, movement speed out the ass and true damage and 3 total auto attack steroids with his passive, e and ult. I'd go on but I don't want to make a wall of text, you get the Idea though. there's so much in their power budgets for some early game power, but unlike some other champions they don't actually fall off in any one aspect or lategame at all.

I'm also not complaining about them in total. I'm merely asking why they're designed with so many strengths and few weaknesses and reaping in the downvotes of dumbass forumgoers apparently...

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