"Wtf stop attacking the minions you're messing up my cs"

koshkyra·Jan 1, 2018·40 votes·3,654 views

cannon minion is at 100 health and about to die to a tower shot, my adc will not be able to kill it in one auto

i auto the cannon so it will be low enough for my adc to kill, but they're too dumb to kill it and it dies to tower

"WTFF!!!1!!1!1!1!!"

about to last hit a cannon because i have relic shield, adc steals it away despite me pinging

"WTF STOP TRYING TO STEAL MY CANNONS!!!!1!!1!!1!1!1!"

last hits a minion that is about to die after the adc backs

"WTF STOP TAKING MY CS!!!!1!1!1!1!"

*accidentally hits a minion and causes adc to miss it one single cs"

"ggez im behind report janna ty"

[sg-zephyr]

73 Comments

dunder killJan 2, 201842 votes

As someone who actually plays the game, this doent actually happen really. I dont get all these threads that make it out like ADCs abuse supports because its complete bullshit. I've seen "This ADC is fucking trash" just as much coming from supports as ADCs bitching about their support

ShadòwJan 2, 20189 votes

just let these janna players feel special and move on

ªTeemoJan 2, 20185 votes

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Plastic 5 ADCJan 3, 20181 votes

What's wrong with janna

sir d wreckJan 2, 201811 votes

I've never seen someone who doesn't know how relic shield works.

LilBadWitchJan 2, 20185 votes

[{quoted}](name=sir d wreck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JIJANEOa,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2018-01-02T04:02:58.415+0000)

I've never seen someone who doesn't know how relic shield works.

I play a game or two every other week of an ADC who has no clue how it works and spam pings me.

dunder killJan 2, 20183 votes

Thats really weird because we play the same game and I never see it happen. But I guess if you keep telling me hard enough I'll actually believe it over what I've seen with my own eyes.

TeCoolMageJan 2, 20185 votes

Ehh majority of boards users are silver and bronze but it stops happening after that in my experience

Also I find this whole "as someone who plays this game, this doesn't really happen so stop posting it" -> "wow yeah this is my experience stop telling me what I experienced" thing extremely hypocritical

dunder killJan 2, 201815 votes

The whole post is extremely cringe. He's trying to make it out like ADCs dont understand how relic shields work and actually yell at their supports for using it which is 100% complete bullshit. It's extremely cringe seeing all these "ADCs are big meanies!!!!!! :((((((((((((( but supports are victims and everyone should know how awesome we are!!!!!! :)))))))))" threads and comments. Like they expect that we dont actually play the game and know that supports probably get flamed the least. The whole is pretty is pretty pathetic and extremely cringey imo

nice tableJan 2, 20182 votes

i mean to be fair in bronze there are plenty of adcs who actually don't know how relic shield works though

dunder killJan 2, 20182 votes

The OP is Gold 1 lol

HethaleanJan 2, 20183 votes

I've had gold+ adc's yell at me using Relic Shield on Taric or Leona or still just not let me get procs off.

dunder killJan 2, 20182 votes

Yet I have never seen it happen once in a Gold ranked game. Not a single time have I seen a Gold ADC not know how a relic shield works. Mhmm.

HethaleanJan 2, 20185 votes

I've never seen a real life lion either. Doesn't make my particular anecdotal evidence reality, or that someone telling me that lions exist are lying to me. Also, a lot of the time the problem is silent. There is no /ALL OMG THIS ADC or spam pinging. Just an out right 'Oh my melee support is going for the minion closest to him with a charge? Last hit it before they can', and a lot of the time the support is just 'oh right i don't get money' and moves on. So unless you're the support or ADC. There's a great chance that you're not paying attention enough to see it.

GelmousJan 2, 20183 votes

that's really hard to believe

EedatJan 3, 20182 votes

I've never once seen a gold ADC who doesnt know how relic shields worth. Thats just silly

HudnofskiBlehJan 2, 20182 votes

I've actually played with people who don't, but then again, I'm unranked.

AMYS GRAVEJan 2, 20182 votes

Really? I had three of those ADCs this weekend alone.... Legit them and their premade flaming me over taking CS when i had a relic shield.

SangreDeNocheJan 3, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=sir d wreck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JIJANEOa,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2018-01-02T04:02:58.415+0000)

I've never seen someone who doesn't know how relic shield works.

Oh you sweet summer child...

kda akaliJan 2, 20184 votes

In low elo it's a common trend to see the ADC be negative towards the Support, I've been through ranks B5-P1 and I've seen it happen so much. It happens much more in lower elos or in pre-level 30 games because that's where most people are still picking up game knowledge.

dunder killJan 2, 20183 votes

Thats weird. We play the same game yet I almost never see it happen but you insist its common. Well I'll just ignore my actual experience and side with you because you told me so. Was that what you were expecting? Because I play the game and supports get flamed the least by far. You want a role that is constantly bashed, trash talked, and criticized all game? Jungler hands down. Ten times more than support.

thefanceJan 2, 20184 votes

Are you familiar with the parable of the Blind Men and the Elephant?

dunder killJan 2, 20183 votes

Are you familiar with 'just because you reference a story doesn't mean it applies'? I see the whole picture every game. If anything, people who play bot lane don't see the whole picture because they are a constant. The rest of us however see two different people in bot lane every single game

thefanceJan 2, 20183 votes

I find your position uncharitable. It's one thing to remain unconvinced, but it's another thing to entirely discount another's experience. You're one out of millions of players. You may have played various roles over a large number of matches, but there may exist other variables which confound generalization. I don't know what those variables might be, but I also lack evidence strong enough to indict others as confidently as you have.

My personal experiences in fact aligns with that of cute egirl janna. I've certainly seen a few ADC's flame their support in recent memory. But the ADC which stands out most (for criticizing their support for behaviors widely considered optimal) was an unranked Ashe. Her op.gg indicated that match-making had matched her with golds for her account's ranked placements. The fact that she never orb-walked while farming strongly suggests that she was new rather than a smurf.

Also, we both know the applicability of the story is independent of my mentioning it. You could have simply said "The story doesn't apply in this case." Your flippancy has no basis.

ZakughostJan 2, 20182 votes

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As someone who actually plays the game, this doent actually happen really. I dont get all these threads that make it out like ADCs abuse supports because its complete bullshit. I've seen "This ADC is fucking trash" just as much coming from supports as ADCs bitching about their support

No this does happen. I got flamed while playing Thresh because I went mid to stop first blood tower and my ADC pushed past the middle of lane and got 3 manned. He told me I didnt understand how to play the game because I was mid instead of bot with him. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

junglerboy16Jan 2, 20183 votes

Oh it happens... It's rare but it happens. They're usually someone who's either very rusty, used to a particular duo partner, or an actual child who doesn't understand wave mechanics beyond last hitting (which is an actual issue).

That said, supports seem just as bad (I play both, I see both behave that way, I do my best not to), and if anything it's "botlane" that has a tendency to be more tiltable, if only because they're the lane that actually impacts the game's outcome 90% of the time.

HawkefireJan 3, 20181 votes

I have seen it, it is really dumb and incredibly annoying when it happens, but thankfully it is fairly rare.

fƒ15Jan 3, 20181 votes

"actually plays the game" You'd have to 'actually play support' to really understand ok [fiora-cool] wHOiStHISdUDE

scribbles782Jan 1, 20188 votes

As someone who used to main support, I feel you fam.

Lord of bearJan 1, 20185 votes

Same

TheBearJew09Jan 1, 20187 votes

It shouldn't be an issue if ADC isn't in lane and you last hit, or helping to last hit under tower. However, if I don't know my support, I really prefer if they do NOT hit minions at all. Messes with my last hitting (i'm only silver so I need all the help I can get trying to cs)

When laning with my duo partner and being on coms, makes it much safer/easier to duo last hit under tower. I'd much rather you poke the lane opponents to help zone them away rather than assist with getting cs.

Bouncemaster ZacJan 2, 20187 votes

Just start actually taking their farm, then they'll have legitimate reason to be upset.

Hextech OwIJan 1, 20186 votes

~~SPAM~~ Gently ping your relic shield, they will eventually understand.

TehNACHOJan 2, 20185 votes

As someone who Jungles and loves to freeze lanes while the respective laner is gone, I feel you too.

ªTeemoJan 2, 20185 votes

stop building relic shield on janna ya fkin moron

koshkyraJan 2, 20184 votes

yes, because all of these examples were the exact same case and in no way seperate

ªTeemoJan 2, 20182 votes

the joke

your head

ampheonJan 2, 20183 votes

It gets worse when you take the CS when they aren't in lane and they complain

YalathanilJan 2, 20183 votes

The relic shield is a real thing. How brain dead does an ADC have to be to not notice that you are 1. a TANK support and that you have 2. BLUE ORBS FLOATING AROUND YOU! The pings i get when i try and cs the cannons are annoying, especially when the ADC starts focusing the cannon and stealing it from me.

It is also annoying when you cs minions when the ADC is out of lane, and they start pinging because you are "stealing their farm", or even worse, when the wave is already under tower and would be lost anyways.

KimutoJan 2, 20183 votes

Had adcs complaining about me ksing as support when it wasn't intentionally or I was making sure that the enemy doesn't escape when I'm unsure that if the adc can kill him in time or not. It feels real bad when enemy escape for not taking the kill for trying to let the adc gets it...

JackMcSnipeyzJan 2, 20183 votes

You build relic shield on janna lol

koshkyraJan 2, 20183 votes

yes, because all of these examples were the exact same match and totally not seperate

Finn Teh HumanJan 1, 20182 votes

One problem I have is when our minions are coming to lane but the support is still hitting them so there AA + minions + tower = harder to last hit.

DontTouchMyBallJan 2, 20182 votes

It specially annoying when we win a fight down bot and they refuse help to shove the wave into enemy tower only to have them get "last hitted", KILLED, by the enemy jungler or midlaner because they overstay with low HP. Just. Priceless. I know better and now will most likely base myself and let them be retarded.

tl.dr: get a duo partner, avoid tilt, you never know who'll lane with

sarii foxJan 2, 20182 votes

I can understand, but I really dislike it when my support is taking my cs right before I get back into lane. If I'm at base, sure, but I actually do lose cs past a certain point when I walk back to lane.

FawkseaJan 2, 20182 votes

lmao @ people being over their heads saying this doesn't happen, it's exagerated but the amount of people who will just wave clear mid-late game and you're just sitting there canceling autos til you fucking get the creep but nope guess those 4 stacks of money we could BOTH get aren't important

IPERFECTOJan 2, 20181 votes

I don't know about "last hit pushing" but when i can, i tryint to throw a spell on them, since as support i usually have not enough dmg to oneshot minions, I usually leave them low enough hp for last hit, so my adc can push lot faster, never saw someone complaining about that

Automated RivenJan 2, 20183 votes

Please stop doing that. Contrary to popular opinion shoving the wave is bad unless your about to recall. Or unless your fed enough to 2v3 and you want to hog the pressure so your other lanes have an easier time. Throwing spells in the minions makes it so that you and your adc are in a bad spot when you or your opponents jungler ganks.

IPERFECTOJan 3, 20181 votes

Oops. forgot to mention i usually only push before recall, ofc otherwise i trying to freeze the lane.

Plastic 5 ADCJan 3, 20181 votes

Yeah i really hate when supports shove the lane for no reason, even if it's a bit it's still an disadvantage.

I always try and keep the wave in a good spot before i back.