Is anyone elses main practically unplayable right now due to the meta?

Moonfall Saber·Aug 30, 2017·45 votes·3,501 views

I went from a 67% win rate in season 5 to a 57% win rate in season 6 to a 47% win rate in season 7.

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EndlessSorcererAug 30, 201720 votes

Udyr RIP

Moonfall SaberAug 30, 20177 votes

right like udyr has dropped off the face of the earth

Shuriman CuratorAug 30, 20177 votes

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right like udyr has dropped off the face of the earth

Agreed, same with Volibear.

ArakadiaAug 31, 20172 votes

But for good reason. Maybe he shouldn't be this weak but he should not be allowed to be strong imo.

skyskee008Aug 31, 20171 votes

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RIP

God I love Udyr - I hope they don't give him a rework, and just give him small buffs and wait until meta shifts to him.

GaliöAug 30, 201718 votes

I cant play my main anymore. Cause he doesnt exist anymore.

RetraukAug 30, 20176 votes

Ah yes, the complaint of one who was an original Galio main. I was one too. All 14 of us Galio mains lost something special with that rework.

Celestial Lion12Aug 30, 20175 votes

Urgot item 3070 Urgot

Mens Hair ClubAug 30, 201711 votes

everyone I play is no good atm

bruiser meta come back

jwebb0113Aug 30, 20172 votes

its not the champs...

sorry someone had to tell you

Mens Hair ClubAug 30, 20178 votes

bruisers are oppressed

AFilthyCaitMainAug 30, 20178 votes

Caitlyn shrugs

KoKobotoAug 30, 20173 votes

Her time in the spot light is over! c:

Brought to you by... Rito balance! Whose apparent philosophy revolves around dumpstering champions into the dumpster dumps or raising them up into the ELO heavens. c:

GeauxxAug 30, 20172 votes

Jinx :l

AFilthyCaitMainAug 30, 201711 votes

Jinx is in an ok spot rn tho

GeauxxAug 30, 20173 votes

no she's subpar.

A little jump from others dropping but not enough to warrant ok state.

coeurloyalAug 30, 20172 votes

Are you kidding me? She's seeing LCS play right now and you think she's weak?

HensetsuAug 30, 20171 votes

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Are you kidding me? She's seeing LCS play right now and you think she's weak?

You mean Diana dude?

Where? This is bad. Really bad. I don't want her becoming popular.

DrCyanideAug 30, 20172 votes

Use discussion view, otherwise you'll have no context for anything outside of GD.

"She" was referring to Jinx (who YaRossy brought up), not Diana.

StairCasexdAug 30, 20173 votes

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no she's subpar.

A little jump from others dropping but not enough to warrant ok state.

Isn't she a very strong hyper carry atm... Only thing I see that's not "ok" is her early game. Which is how it should be. Especially with that runaans + Q nonsense in team fights.

LimrickAug 30, 20173 votes

She's alright, but she's a worse Trist/Twitch right now. If they're banned, sure she's great.

AirKingNeoAug 30, 20171 votes

Where is this proof that Jinx is "strong"?

Because she can use Ardent better than a few other ADCs? Is that it?

GeauxxAug 31, 20171 votes

Shes not, the only time she's great is if twitch/draven/trist/ maybe cait maybe/sivir are all banned out or picked already.

She'd not horrible, but she's not great like these people think she is when shes outclassed hard currently and rarely makes it to that late game carry status that others reach before she does.

but instead of using a logical argument they just downvote and leave because they a board warriors.

AirKingNeoAug 31, 20171 votes

Here's an ADC tier list (bot Lane)

=SS= Tristana

=S= Twitch Draven Jhin

=A= Xayah Kog'Maw Kalista Sivir (May move to S)

=B= Varus Ashe Caitlyn Miss Fortune Lucian

=C= Jinx Vayne Corki Ezreal (Potentially based on recent buffs)

Jinx has a long becoming very good.

Bronze DemonAug 30, 20177 votes

bruisers are oppressed x2

GayFluffyUnicornAug 30, 20178 votes

Hi im fullbuild jax with 300 armor on ult and 3500 health oh i stay a second in a teamfight and i'm dead. Welp. I can't even 1v1 the xayah XD. BRUISERS ARE FINE GUYS.

Mens Hair ClubAug 30, 20173 votes

im ulted nasus with 4k health and 400 armor 200 mr here i go walking into the teamfight and now i'm dead to twitch

ThefrostyvikingAug 30, 20176 votes

You are doing something terribly wrong if Xayah alone is beating your jax O_O

Only Marksman that can beat Jax 1v1 is Vayne.

LimrickAug 30, 20173 votes

Even then Vayne has to play basically perfect to beat him. Jax one-shots ADCs with his current popular build. These people are delusional, Jax is in a great spot in the meta, and easily one of the best top laners.

PoskeAug 31, 20171 votes

Nah he actually sounded realistic

Jax gets instagibed/ignored in temafights

ThefrostyvikingAug 31, 20171 votes

He said 1v1.

He get's beaten 1v1 by enemy xayah playing Jax.

You're telling me this is reasonable? That the one skirmishers that is doing rather well for a long time now made to kill marksmen is getting spanked 1v1 by one of the weaker ones?

Mens Hair ClubAug 31, 20171 votes

thinking xayah is one of the weaker ones, lol

ThefrostyvikingAug 31, 20171 votes

She´s not on par with Draven Twitch Vayne or even Lucian in a straight fight.

Even Twitch is better if we assume he does a sneak attack. Caitlyn is also debatable.

Xayah is limited by her E, a good deal of her powerbudget goes into an ability that's really isn't too hard to dodge as long as you move around.

Jax just needs to jump on her and stand on the opposite side of her and she will never land it, that's why i call her weak.

Altho i´ll admit that her E is extremely good as a followup ability or a reaction in a chaotic fight, however 1v1 when the enemy is focused on you it's kinda subpar.

I´ve beaten Xayah 1v1 with Ashe, it's fairly easy even x)

PoskeAug 31, 20171 votes

I ll give you high elo adc tier list your is a bit off

Tier 0 ADC Tristana,Twitch

If you let Twitch hit 3 autos on 4 people you ll lose teamfight against him. Twitch is the only ADC who initiates 1vs5 fights and probably the only champion who initiates without CC (Death is best cc)

Tristana is the safest botlane hypercarry who crushes towers. Great for rotations. Hard to gank. Hard to assassinate, can cleanup. Mindblowing dps

Tier 1 ADC. Xayah,Kog maw KogMaw is pretty much poke version of twitch without stealth. Xayah compared to twitch is also a teamfight piercer without stealth and range but she has a root and Her ultimate which makes her incredibly hard to focus and honestly her root is quite deadly

Tier 1.5 Jinx
Just a solid champion gets towers faster then kog maw, but kog maw is slightly better Draven Really good bully vulnerable to ganks more then ever since last nerf (And Personaly yasuo but he isnt widespread adc pick)

tier Almost irelevant but still viable Ashe MissFortune Lucian Kalista Now if you are playing ranked teams Kalista and ashe jump to tier 1.5 Lucian can be played in bunch of lanes but we are talking about botlane AD tier list. Lucian as a champion would be rated higher if we looked globaly

Trash tier Vayne (There are AD carries which delete multiple champions at once..) Ezreal ?????? the q buffs didnt save him Caitlyn ehm she is at 45% winrate for a reason nerfed hard Sivir again if its ranked teams she jumps a tier higher in almost irelevant tier but she is quite trash (Buffs got reverted keep in mind) Varus Outclassed by jinx mainly.. Jhin The ulti nerf made him quite irelevant he is counter to some random lower tier AD carries which have low range. He might deserve higher I JUST PERSONALY hate having jhin on my team specially in this ardent meta

ThefrostyvikingAug 31, 20171 votes

The question was who beats who in a 1v1.

I started arguing with people when someone claimed Xayah beats jax and someone else said jax is irrelevant in teamfights to which i both argued.

Then on a followup to why Xayah isn't great 1v1 i went and named a few that i believe to be strong 1v1 to try and elaborate on that.

PoskeAug 31, 20171 votes

well Xayah is not weak 1vs1

She would just kite him backwards root him dodge his counterstrike with ultimate and delete him...

Bruisers are in horrible condition atm

ThefrostyvikingAug 31, 20171 votes

One does not simply kite a Jax.

Triforce, randuin and a 3-4 seconds CD leap ensures that.

And divers and skirmishers might be doing poorly but jax is doing well.

His winrates have remained solid despite a increasing amount of players.

Altho not that many i think x)

If Xayah dodges Jax E with her ulti then she will have to land her E right away after, of jax will smack right through her healthbar.

Issue is, jax has the mobility and speed to dodge it.

Xayah genrally does not handle that deal well.

'tis is all based on my experience playing both those champs which is flawed since i haven't mained either really hard.

Altho i am a somewhat long time jax player.

AirKingNeoAug 30, 20172 votes

Xayah is broken so..

420 gramsAug 30, 20176 votes

Master yi. The jungle catch up xp along with long camp respawn timers

HensetsuAug 30, 20176 votes

Not really.

Actually I've come to find Diana easier to play.

Between the mana cost buffs, Passive buff and the dorans ring nerfs, I get poked out of mid lane a lot less than I used to. I can grab my catalyst and win most matchups.

Diana doesn't get punished as hard in lane anymore and still has the ability to blow people up.

2 Seasons ago there were so many matchups that would just zone me out because mana management wasn't as much of an issue as it is now. Double dorans were really strong.

As for jungling with her, I don't like it. It's too squishy, and doesn't offer enough to the team. I prefer to pick champions like Elise (Rylais build) or Sejuani for their CC and ability to set up kills for their carries.

TheMoralSupportAug 30, 20176 votes

Nothing can stop us, not even terrain Bard

RookPusherAug 30, 20171 votes

Amen, brother bear. I'm moving over to bard from Maokai (haven't fully committed yet) but his aggressive build is uh-may-zing. Once he gets Nashor's Tooth he's basically an assassin.

TheMoralSupportAug 30, 20172 votes

A Bard with item 3057 and item 3151 is certainly a threat to consider. I also enjoy 2 shotting adc's mid games after a couple of chimes lol. Welcome.

ninjaroxasAug 30, 20174 votes

Bards meep dmg is gross early on

RookPusherAug 30, 20172 votes

The only reason it isn't later is because most of them don't build damage.

RookPusherAug 30, 20171 votes

Really? Over Nashor's? Why do you take that over other items?

TheMoralSupportAug 31, 20171 votes

The Liandries burn applies on the entire cone, it's amazing for teamfights. Oh and sheen is a personally favourite, the early cheese is amazing lmao

dreadnoughtus01Aug 30, 20174 votes

Karma is not faring to well in this meta despite enchanter items being overtuned.

44% in support and 42% win rates in mid, it's only going to get worse when the items get the nerf bat after Worlds. item 3070

Rito hit her hard in nerfs before they realized that maybe it was the enchanter items that was the problem.

Though I don't think Karma ever even approached the high 50s in win rate in Solo Q. She was only ever strong in LCS where games don't exist beyond 25 minutes. :(