Remember when Riot changed Zed's W which made him feel clunky and then fixed it the next patch?

Akali is SO HOT·Dec 7, 2016·34 votes·2,678 views

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TheHappyReaperzDec 7, 201620 votes

Why? Riot has been quite thorough in making sure Akali still works well. Didn't feel like she was doing enough damage? Increased the ratios on her abilities. Unable to split push anymore? No worries, her new passive applies to towers now. It seems almost disrespectful to continually whine about the cons of a champion, when Riot is actively fixing/fixed them for you.

PennsDec 7, 20164 votes

Meanwhile Fizz item 3070 Kappa

Big LincolnDec 7, 201611 votes

changing a bunch of things nobody complained about while addressing the few things people actually want fixed is not riot fixing anything

AbyssphereDec 7, 20165 votes

I've seen Akali players complaining about not being able to splitpush anymore.

Big LincolnDec 7, 20164 votes

I've seen people complain almost exclusively about her ult's piss ratio, her passive needing to be swapped (damage first), and her W.

Riot put damage on her E instead and hasn't addressed the latter two at all.

Irelia BotDec 8, 20161 votes

it might not be as good as it was but it is good enough that I will not be complaining about it anymore.

Instead I will get upset about actually having energy issues which I did not have before the rework.

LankPantsDec 8, 20161 votes

Akali's rework dropped or left alone every energy cost on her kit. The only reason I could see you taking issue with her energy costs is if you switched from low CDR assassin builds to high CDR bruiser builds when she was reworked, but these builds have always had energy issues.

Irelia BotDec 8, 20161 votes

It has to do with using E far more just to get damage off on enemies. I can't be as effective with the old Q wait a few seconds ult auto Q ult auto combo. I have to actually include E now and if I have to use Shroud as well I am usually so low on energy that I can't use any abilities.

LankPantsDec 8, 20161 votes

Akali's whole combo should never OOE you even with a shroud. The only way to OOE yourself is to mindlessly spam E. Q is almost energy neutral anyway and shroud is a 1 time cost.

Even at lv 3, where all your costs are maximised you can throw out a Q/W/E for 180 energy and you get a 40 energy refund for the Q, so it's a 140 cost. That leaves you, without considering energy regen enough to cast another Q or E, if you consider energy regen and the refund from second Q proc, both.

I'd also advise ranking E over Q into melee matches. Q's energy cost does not come down with rank while E's does, E scales harder off of Gunblade, your primary item and as E's CD comes down enough that you can start sneaking multiple Es into trades, especially if you can kill a creep with it.

Akali is SO HOTDec 7, 201618 votes

Those are buffs not fixes for her clunky kit. Her W still feels clunky as ever and the longer cooldown on her ult has made her kill pattern awkward and really weird. Not to mention the multiple bugs on her W that came with the rework.

inplaneDec 7, 201618 votes

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Those are buffs not fixes for her clunky kit. Her W still feels clunky as ever and the longer cooldown on her ult has made her kill pattern awkward and really weird. Not to mention the multiple bugs on her W that came with the rework.

I feel like people mix up fluidity with strength way too often. Sure a champion may be strong by numbers, but if it feels like shit playing as them then it's a different scenario. Strength has nothing to do with clunkiness and it shouldn't be a factor in fixing clunkiness. Too often do I hear "X is already decent. They don't need their clunky issues to be fixed."

Akali is SO HOTDec 8, 20165 votes

yeah exactly

Akali is SO HOTDec 8, 20166 votes

Forgot to mention her clunky af auto attacks that will probably never be fixed.

inplaneDec 7, 20167 votes

Taliyah : What is up with Riot and their knack for ruining Ws?

Yorick : What did you say Tal? I couldn't hear you over my reverted W.

Taliyah : %%%%% why.

AuraCreedDec 8, 20161 votes

item 3070 Taliyah feelsbadman

ShadòwDec 7, 20163 votes

no, i don't remember.

Zed never had W changes that made him clunky lol

AHarmlessTacoDec 7, 20162 votes

They made it take FOREVER for him to swap with his W shadow. Like, a whole second rather than the .5 it is now. It was super awful feeling.

ShadòwDec 7, 20163 votes

that is and was his Ult.

and it definitely wasn't fixed after 1 patch

AHarmlessTacoDec 7, 20161 votes

WAIT. I'm thinking of LeBlanc and her W. Sorry. Idk about Zed but IK that one got fixed pretty fast.

ShadòwDec 7, 20162 votes

actually it was fixed 7 patches after

AHarmlessTacoDec 7, 20161 votes

Dude I am just trash. V5.16 Distortion.png Distortion Dash speed increased to 1450 from 1300 V5.11 Distortion.png Distortion Dash speed reduced to 1300 from 1600

^^^ THAT is what I am thinking of. Idk what to tell ya. Im bad.

DarkRitualDec 7, 20162 votes

Giu gud memory scrib.

Akali is SO HOTDec 7, 20167 votes

V5.22 Living Shadow Fixed a bug where casting at the same time as his other abilities would avoid the cast time.

V5.23 Living Shadow Range increased to 700 from 600. Missile speed increased to 1750 from 1500. Minimum range lowered to 350 from 400.

ShadòwDec 8, 20161 votes

that's no fix.

that was a small buff because Zed was struggling back then, but his W never felt clunky and was changed for that reason.

Akali is SO HOTDec 8, 20163 votes

He got those changes exactly for that reason

ShadòwDec 8, 20161 votes

even if, are you not having other Arguments than referring to changes made back in Season 5?

if i remember correctly Akali was buffed in both of the last patches, so stop with the QQ

Akali is SO HOTDec 8, 20163 votes

This isn't about her being strong or weak this is about her being clunky.

ShadòwDec 8, 20161 votes

and what exactly were the Zed changes exept from straight up Buffs?

the Bugfix was still there, and it never made him feel clunky.

Sassmast3rDec 8, 20163 votes

Oh look, more double-standards. They don't have the time to revert/fix/followthrough with their work when it comes to a champion infrequently used, but God forbid someone like Zed remains even remotely weak/unenjoyable for even a short period of time, wouldn't want to upset the ADD kids who foolishly spend unthinkable amount of money on this game, I might not get my salary this week!

God, nothing is more disgusting then when Riot half-assedly does their work and tries to portray some sort of "finished" project, it's abhorrent. Look at Karma, what a bland excuse of a champion. Look at Yorick, what appeared to be the most beautiful and well-thought-out rework was completely thrown aside; has Yorick been mentioned post-rework by a Rioter yet? I certainly can't answer that.

Darius StradaDec 7, 20161 votes

Azir

PPPPPPPPPPPP270Dec 8, 20161 votes

Holy shit I thought you were talking about Akali's auto attack even though they nevered changed it at all.

LankPantsDec 8, 20163 votes

even though they nevered changed it at all.

This is literally the only case where not changing something to do with Akali is the problem.

HazyCloud7Dec 8, 20161 votes

She's been buffed in the last 2 patches and the lead designer behind her changes reads/posts in the akalimains subreddit. Akali might still be underpowered in 6.24 (is she?) but riot definitely isn't ignoring her. In fact I'd go as far as to say they've given her more attention post assassin rework launch than any other assassin.

2 sec CD on her ultimate doesn't make her clunky...you do know what clunky means right? I mean what do you expect the CD on a targeted point and click 700 range dash to be exactly?

The shroud might be a bit clunky, I'll give you that.

Karn BishopDec 8, 20162 votes

Well according to her stats she is recovering to the 50% winrate threshhold on the old patch and with the nerf of CoC i expect that to rise to around 52-54% for players with mastery over her since CoC really pushed out a good chunk of assassins with her same play style.

HazyCloud7Dec 8, 20161 votes

I think a lot of akali players just aren't going to be satisfied unless they give her back 250 damage and 50% AP on her ult, but quite frankly that's what made her cancer to play against. 750 + 150% AP point and click targeted 700 range damage in 3 seconds from 1 ability (old R had 1 second CD at max rank) should never exist in champion's kit.

Karn BishopDec 9, 20161 votes

yeah thats never going to happen, ever. they will have to be happy with being in a good place gameplay and winrate wise with the recent CoC nerfs and the tower buff.

Akali is SO HOTDec 8, 20164 votes

If you played Akali at all you would know how clunky that cooldown nerf to her ult makes her feel.

Irelia BotDec 8, 20161 votes

Having to make do by getting some CDR after gunblade aka a sheen item be it trinity or lich bane depending on enemy resistances. Not what I wanted by all means but at least I feel like I can be effective with akali by doing so.

Well their that or all of the top laners I have been facing are clueless as to what to do against an akali.

LankPantsDec 8, 20161 votes

Having to make do by getting some CDR after gunblade aka a sheen item be it trinity or lich bane depending on enemy resistances. Not what I wanted by all means but at least I feel like I can be effective with akali by doing so.

The optimal way to be getting CDR right now is Spirit Visage IMO. I've been fucking around with AP heavy builds but I always find myself doing less damage over the course of a game than a tanky build, so I'm just going to say fuck it and build as much bulk as I can after Gunblade.

Irelia BotDec 8, 20161 votes

I'm being my typical Irelia player self and using sheen procs for damage since it seems to be doing the trick. Also given that many tend to get some kind of MR early the extra physical damage is really useful from a sheen.

LankPantsDec 8, 20161 votes

I typically max E first so if people get MR against me I just win.

Some people do catch onto this and build Armour against me and that is when I have some problems, so I typically find Cinder>Sunfire to be a better work around to resists.

Irelia BotDec 8, 20161 votes

And this is where i say that I do not play tankali

LankPantsDec 8, 20161 votes

Regardless of whether you play tank Akali or not E max is just better against melees. It does more damage unless they're a Malphite hellbent on stacking Armour. It mixes your damage which means that you're incredibly hard to itemise against.

If you rush Gunblade then each individual E until your second item does more damage, it's on a shorter CD even if you don't kill a creep and it helps with energy because the cost comes down. The only two justifications for Q max are if you need it to CS from a range or if you're versus someone who's inexplicably stacking armour into an Akali.

And tank Akali is just optimal right now. If you want to win as Akali it's the way to go unfortunately.

HazyCloud7Dec 8, 20162 votes

1 second 700 range point and click targeted dash was awful design.

MunchCrunchLunchDec 8, 20161 votes

umm that change didn't get fixed tho. maybe we aren't on same page but didn't zed shadow get nerfed way back in liek S4 and made him not WQ instantly instead created a delay on it?

Akali is SO HOTDec 8, 20164 votes

V5.22 Living Shadow Fixed a bug where casting at the same time as his other abilities would avoid the cast time.

V5.23 Living Shadow Range increased to 700 from 600. Missile speed increased to 1750 from 1500. Minimum range lowered to 350 from 400.