What's being done with AP champions who are no longer viable due to lack of burst?

Yenn··4 votes·2,402 views

Is anything even going to be done to make bring them back into the game? They absolutely cannot function in a meta where all the best picks are capable of 100 to 0'ing in seconds.

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Hammermancer1 votes

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Is anything even going to be done to make bring them back into the game? They absolutely cannot function in a meta where all the best picks are capable of 100 to 0'ing in seconds.

list a few

Yenn1 votes

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list a few

Cassiopeia, Kassadin, Victor, Ziggs, Lissandra, etc. all lack the burst to kill before they themselves are killed.

LatoyaFromTheBX2 votes

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Cassiopeia, Kassadin, Victor, Ziggs, Lissandra, etc. all lack the burst to kill before they themselves are killed.

Kassadin is a scaling assassin mage hes supposed to have a bad early until he finishes at least 2 items like item 3027 &item 3100 to hit his powerspike for late game

Malix Farwin1 votes

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Cassiopeia, Kassadin, Victor, Ziggs, Lissandra, etc. all lack the burst to kill before they themselves are killed.

Ziggs stats

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Ziggs/

How exactly is he doing poorly in this meta. The fact that he is doing well kinda discredits your "only mages that can 100-0" arguments. The ones that are sub 50% WR are very close to it and just need minor buffs. Why is it always so extreme with the forums.

They are weaker because they are slightly undertuned, not because they cannot 100-0.

Ayzev1 votes

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The ones that are sub 50% WR are very close to it

Except for these: https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Syndra/ https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Kassadin/ https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Orianna/

Malix Farwin1 votes

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Except for these: https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Syndra/ https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Kassadin/ https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Orianna/

Kassadin is not a mage, he's an Assassin, the fact that you had to reach to mention him only further proves my point.

Orianna and Syndra are 47% which is close to 30%, especially considering they are high skill cap mages. They only need small buffs.

More than that, look at why they are only 47%. Their counters are popular meta picks.

Syndra needs a slight buff but she was doing poorly well before the mage changes, and she is only 1 mage.

Best Orianna one tricks are literally doing 1% less then the best Zoe one tricks, that right there should tell you who her WR is low. She is a hard champion to play.

Overall you may have individual champions in a bad spot but the mage archtype as a whole is fine and the ones struggling are performing well on mains and only need small buffs, not anything major.

Ayzev1 votes

I wasn't really making a point, just felt that I should correct that specific part. I actually agree that mages as a whole don't need buffs. Though, 3% off usually isn't considered close.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

More or less every mage can do that, though. Who cant?

DW Diana1 votes

Malzahar can't do it anymore either. He just has to spam push and take electrocute to have that thing everyone else takes for granted: kill pressure.

Kurt Hyzan1 votes

Most mages are fine though (not overpowered), but a lot of them have been hardly nerfed without compensation (Syndra for instance)

Gotta love when the shiny kids Yasuo LeeSin Zed get a slight nerf, they also get a huge buff as a "compensation"...

Madsin251 votes

Lissandra can for sure lay the smackdown 100-0 on any squishy with no MR.

Infact if you line up your AoE just right you can 1 shot two squishys at the exact same time.(I have done this without even being fed)

Cassiopeia has the DPS early game to be able to snowball and turn that DPS into BPS.

Kassadin is just in a bad spot in general.

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