Why not just remove NLR entirely at this point?

Jbels·Feb 6, 2018·1 votes·477 views

Almost every item that built out of it previously either doesn't anymore or was removed from the game (RIP DFG). The only one left is Deathcap, and nobody even builds it anymore unless they're so ahead that it doesn't matter. I understand you're creating a new item, and I notice it builds out of NLR. I also understand that you're making it build out of NLR because if you didn't, NLR would be taking Lost Chapter's place in only building into one item, but since nobody will buy death cap, it might as well still only build into one item

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General Esdeath Feb 6, 20181 votes

It's the AP counterpart of item 1038 but the issue is that while an AD champ could make use of raw AD via Auto Attacks, AP champs can't.

JbelsFeb 6, 20181 votes

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It's the AP counterpart of but the issue is that while an AD champ could make use of raw AD via Auto Attacks, AP champs can't.

Yeah, and Lost Chapter is poised to become that counterpart, as it supplies everything a mage can use (AP, Mana, CDR) for 150 gold cheaper. It's a crap ton more stat efficient than NLR, so why even have it in the game at this point?

Final Spark LuxFeb 6, 20181 votes

Deathcap is always my first or 2nd item though o.O. If it isn't broken, and it's still being used on an item, why remove it? Removing an item just because it isn't used constantly doesn't really make any sense.

JbelsFeb 6, 20181 votes

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Deathcap is always my first or 2nd item though o.O. If it isn't broken, and it's still being used on an item, why remove it? Removing an item just because it isn't used constantly doesn't really make any sense.

Normally I would agree, but you have change coming that will make it so Lost chapter will eclipse it in efficiency. There used to be a time when NLR was the "No duh" item, where it was always first. I think it cost 1600 gold back then and it gave a freaking raw 80 AP. It made sense to get it back then because AP was all that mattered to people. You get that sweet AP sauce, you do more damage, you win.

Now it's all about stat efficiency and never running out of mana (which is another issue entirely). I'm glad that Lost Chapter isn't going to only build into one item anymore, but I wish NLR wasn't kicked out of a build path in order to make that happen

Final Spark LuxFeb 6, 20181 votes

What we build is our choice though. Just because something else is more efficient or cost effective doesn't mean everyone wants to buy it. Depending on your play-style or desired items, certain items are more lucrative to you personally compared to others. It's different for everyone. If we're forced into buying certain items just because they're efficient, they might as well remove our ability to buy what we want in general.

I've never bought last chapter, or morellos for that matter as a first item. When I'm mid, I always buy Ludens / Deathcap first, grabbing t1 boots at some point and leaving it until I have both of those items first. If I want CDR later I might pick it up, but because of the way I play, I don't find it as useful as raw AP most of the time. It usually ends up being my 4th item, if the game even makes it that far.