Now that we're losing even more HP

Big Lincoln··40 votes·1,783 views

Can we buff Sterak's to just slightly offset the several hundred HP juggernauts have lost when they're supposed to invest more heavily into health than other durable classes

A new HP-heavy item would be just as appreciated

For reference, in the current patch with these items item 3071 item 3812 item 3053 item 3065 item 3143 item 3047 Illaoi will have around 4000 health at level 18. Before the HP nerfs to Cleaver, DMP, and Sterak's (-400 HP total in season 6 because of Cleaver becoming a universal item, -300 total now), Illaoi would have 4300. With the item changes, she loses another 150 HP total from Visage and Randuin's/DMP, so it's now a 450 HP loss, an entire item's worth of HP deleted from our builds.

I think it's very reasonable, then, that we get some form of compensation either in a buff to our existing items or a new item entirely. We can deal with Darius in the aftermath but him being good or too strong shouldn't mean the rest of the roster be mediocre.

28 Comments

ZT Xperimentor7 votes

Buff sterak's & make it melee only, what was so hard about that the first time?

Chønklord2 votes

RIP Tank AD Teemo

item 3070 Teemo item 3070

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

To be fair he was toxic :P

AL0002 votes

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Buff sterak's & make it melee only, what was so hard about that the first time?

exactly! If I am game designer... I will design item for specially roles to improve fair and fun...

for example what they did to item for jungler with smite only.

Critmaster Garen6 votes

at this point steraks would need a 300 health buff just to make up for the season 6 health nerfs.

thats not even including the coming nerfs.

Big Lincoln1 votes

I would be fine with it if the shield was much stronger or decayed slower

Valeckserai5 votes

Meanwhile TahmKench is crying in the corner, sad and alone.

Big Lincoln1 votes

just revert the passive change tbh

Blakiepug4 votes

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Meanwhile TahmKench is crying in the corner, sad and alone.

At least you acknowledge him. ;u; It feels like no one cares about my Tahm Kench. He's riddled with bugs that don't get fixed, left as the second lowest support win rate for over a year now (highest win% hit was 48), and now HP is being taken down to hinder him further.

Valeckserai3 votes

He's one of my favorite top lane picks, and the massive reduction in health from tank items may kill that if it ships. Personally, I'm fine with the hp reduction in items to make up for increased armor/mr overall. Meddler made a good point about why they're going for that change in one of his posts. However, Tahm and other health reliant champions will either need new health based items or will need to be straight up buffed after this most likely. Then again, this is the PBE. No one really knows what is going to happen. I just REALLY hope that Top Kench is still a decent option when all is said and done.

Blakiepug1 votes

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He's one of my favorite top lane picks, and the massive reduction in health from tank items may kill that if it ships. Personally, I'm fine with the hp reduction in items to make up for increased armor/mr overall. Meddler made a good point about why they're going for that change in one of his posts. However, Tahm and other health reliant champions will either need new health based items or will need to be straight up buffed after this most likely. Then again, this is the PBE. No one really knows what is going to happen. I just REALLY hope that Top Kench is still a decent option when all is said and done.

I play support Kench! ^_^ I don't think there is a problem with him being viable in both lanes though. I agree he will most likely need buffs if these changes go through but I also think he already needs buffs. The reason I am bothered with removing HP from tank items in exchange for more Armor/Magic Resist is that we already have so many items that only give Armor/MR and no HP like Locket and the Raptor's Cloak line. It doesn't feel good sinking my money into those items because HP is a more appreciable stat than Armor and MR. So to make HP items give even less HP really bothers me. Especially since now Warmog's will be the only good high HP item whereas we have a crapton of items for Armor and MR already. :/

Chønklord1 votes

I love tahm top. I shit on so many OP champs i.e. riven, fiora, etc. They never see the level 1 buffet time.

Slurp slurp slurp :gulp: YUMMEH

I'll send you my runepage/build if you wanna learn more about the kench in the north.

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

THANK YOU

Milla Jovovich3 votes

Make HP great again ! Azir

Big Lincoln1 votes

return us to our former glory

AL0002 votes

no... blame on abusers especially yaso, ekko, lucan and assassin.

they are responsibility to make other champion useless after some champion nerfs like garen, and other.

item 3025 item 3022 item 3071 item 3748 and other items that should be using by bruiser and tank only.. now you know why abuser like off meta tank like yaso, ekko and other abuses it.

blame on abusers... like i said.

SweedishGunner1 votes

BC is literally the only good CDR item for asaassins, that's why they build it.

Dessem2 votes

Considering Riot repeatedly nerfs it because assassins/ADCs used it, I wonder what'd happen if they shaved off 10% CDR from BC and added it to, say, Warden's Mail/Randuin's?

Would assassins stop purchasing BC altogether?

SweedishGunner1 votes

It wouldn't stop it being purchased altogether, but Maw might take it's place depending on the enemy comp. With BC for AD heavy comps where you need CDR and Maw for CDR against magic heavy comps.

KoKoboto2 votes

Hopefully they look at juggernauts who tend to rely on flat AD/AP and health. The decrease in health is gonna suck. I think GA will be bought more by juggernauts maybe.

Arakadia1 votes

I hate all the juggernauts except a few lie nasus, shyv, illaoi, but I'm convinced. I would say make Steraks melee only, buff it, and than act from there.

Lane Cancer1 votes

is deaths dance really something you should be investing in lel

Weight of Law1 votes

I'm pretty sure its been a good item for Illaoi for awhile now, since it gives her damage reduction, ad for her tentacles, and more healing on tentacle hits.

Big Lincoln1 votes

It's a core item.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

Sion meta incoming.

Glory ln Death1 votes

Sion meta is the best meta. Except it means I can't play this account...

Pandemic Punch2 votes

I certainly won't be complaining too much about it. He is one of my most played :D

RizHippoKhan1 votes

so another (indirect) nerf to shen ;-;

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