So remind me what again is the point to playing darius?

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This has never ever been the case,even before the rework all dump on him if skilled,and most other melees have a way to win vs him as well. can outplay him will just stay at range and so will .And those who he beats will quickly outscale him in mid/late game if they didn't int early even if 20 cs behind. .To function,he needs a proper team comp built around him,which will almost never happen in SoloQ,so no he does NOT beat all melees.Not in high elo not in low elo,not in any elo.He has good melee matchups but to say he "wins them all"is pretty laughable.Want to know someone who that arguement can be made for ?

The problem is almost everyone who isn't in the first 3 categories belongs in the fourth one.

Pantheon isn't as tough because he falls off in 1v1's at lvl 6 and doesn't really scale back up until he can oneshot, and he can't win an all in like Darius and has to rely on poking first.

Also Darius is strong enough that he can make the CS gap far larger than 20.

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pretty much this. only a handful of melee can actual beat dari 1v1 early game or late game, and the ones that can are meant to be the best 1v1ers in game such as jax or fiora.

that being said, he DOES need buffs.

Darius's late game 1v1 is pretty awful though? While you won't be 1v1ning anyone in late game,I assure you,most toplaners can beat his ass in a late game fight. Outscales hard.

1. Same as Camille,although Darius is indeed more useful in teamfights Has potential to kill him if full build and reset fights with stormraiders and W Darius will run oom before he kills No chance here Will just kite around and blow him up with barrels or inside Darius Q and just outdamage him No chance here either,although it's unlkely he will do enough damage to kill you before team arrives. Don't know about this one,but im pretty sure Illaoi with 40% CDR can always stay inside Darius Q not to mention outdamages him hard This one you can actually win if she goes Tri/Titanic,but otherwise if she goes dmg (Tri,Botrk,Guinsoo)you will get outscaled and raped hard. You win this one,but he will be infinitely more useful in a 5v5 than you Same as Irelia,if he goes Tri/Titanic you can win otherwise he will destroy you Outdamages you hard,can reset fights with his knockback and his build generally counters yours. You win this one,hands down.His build is extremely limited(like yours) Run OOM before you kill him Nothing to say here You win,his late game is garbage,just kite out his ult ^ ^ No chance here,same as Fiora Doesn't 1v1,you can beat him in a split but it's rare he will split and not use his much better teamfight presence,you have no answer to equalizer You can beat him,his dmg falls off hard. Unlikely you catch him,and his W grounded mechanic really screws you up in teamfights if he's good same as malph Will kite you around with Liandries/Rylais and slow you for days,and you won't outdamage his heal Dunno about this one,never see him This one you can actually win if you kite his ult,similar to Olaf.His build is also pretty limited but if he goes Botrk,he will shit all over you. No chance Most one sided fight in league of legends will outscale you hard,in 1v1's you can maybe win but it's unlikely you'll ever 5 stack him garbage champion ^ Will destroy you late ^ ^

So as you can see,his dueling is pretty mediocre,It could be stronger if his build wasn't so limited,and in a perfect scenario where people counterbuild each other,he could probably beat half of the champs on this list,but the chances of that happening in a real game are about 0%.