Good Grief well this explains a lot (hydra lifesteal scales with more lifesteal)

LilxPaprika··1 votes·393 views

If your going to give a sustain item just 12% lifesteal specifically because its aoe damage, then continue this trend / make its lifesteal exclusive to this item/self contained.

I propose the following: make it so only the 12% lifesteal from hydra works with the item's aoe damage, other lifesteal sources cannot work with hydra aoe or hydra active. Except elixir of wrath that's the only thing I can see stay.

There's a reason why spellvamp only has 33% scaling with aoe. Granted at the very least hydra does give reduced DMG 60% outter edge of aoe.

What I dislike about hydra is that it hurt other lifesteal items. All the lifesteal items got seriously hit hard because of items like this which disproportionally make lifesteal seem super strong especially for certain champions. Can't believe hydra once had 15% lifesteal in its current state.

Now can we get decent lifesteal quints back please.

Also this falls under burden of knowledge or something it should be described on the item description. So people realize what they are getting themselves into/up against. Your pretty much giving them an extra source to heal off of.

This explains the time when riven 2 v 1 me (shen) and a teamate(Darius if I recall correctly) (both of us melee making it easy for her to lifesteal off of. she had hydra BT. Or why the trundle single handedly survived all our burst damage. She was fed but not 1v2 fed.

Why don't more people play nasus/udyr hydra? Seems op.

It explains why Lee sin with safeguard lifesteal on can hydra within a minion wave and get so much HP back. Then people complain lifesteal is too strong. Its not lifesteal its hydra's current state.

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ChargeItDownMid2 votes

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LilxPaprika1 votes

{quoted} Hydra was intentionally made extremely strong to help bridge the gap between melee and ranged carries.

where is this mentioned? Hydra was introduced before the nerfs to BT. talon riven etc were fine with two fully stacked BTs before hydra showed up. With the nerfs to lifesteal its fine now on adcs. imo its on melee champs that its an issue.

the gap is already bridged by giving the item increased aoe size. this is already a buff for melee champs no more buffs are needed. Similar to phage's increased movement speed.

hydra is extremely strong on select melee champions though, those with lifesteal in kit/stack lifesteal. my suggestion would only effect melee champs who stack lifesteal/have lifesteal in kit. the 12% lifesteal from hydra would still work even elixir would. its just other things like zeke's herald or lee sin's safeguard's lifesteal wouldn't work off the aoe.

compared to say essence reaver. hydra active + aoe and more lifesteal vs cdr mana and 5 extra dmg. That's a fair side by side comparison, these two would be evenly matched stat wise assuming hydra costs more like 3200 gold or gains more lifesteal. All this even before factoring the fact that all sources of lifesteal works off the aoe (which still needs to be added to the item's description imo).

The fact that all its aoe dmg can also lifesteal off however much lifesteal you have on including aura from zeke's herald is a stretch however. Its another reason why zeke can't get buffed. this legit is getting in the way of balancing lifesteal for all the other items.

granted ER is a bit underwhelming. but i'd rather a bit underwhelming than way op. i'd propose making both solid options though.

LilxPaprika1 votes

Tournament is more about the right team comp. and having 3 squishies on one team isn't ideal. its also risky/banking on capitalizing off this broken aspect, you need enemy minions or target champions within the aoe's range. Though there are situations where the sustain is truly absurd and thats all im trying to address. So for the most part the item is fine. rengar,renek doesn't fall under this post nor does any champion without outside sources of lifesteal.

riven at high diamond elo is a very common and successful pick same for all the others mentioned. i'm mainly looking at trundle and lee and or adc melee champs with a second lifesteal item.
i've seen some pretty insane footage of lee life stealing like a boss and trundle or riven. they're somewhere in my reddit upvotes but dunno how to search for it.

Also imagine in a world where zeke's is actually half decent item choice and perhaps where lifesteal quints are too (maybe like 2% for melee).

Vistha Kai1 votes

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