I'd like an Illaoi nerf

LatetotheRace··1 votes·929 views

No, not her unnecessary healing, nor her low cooldowns, or even her tentacle smackdown.

Her mana regen. She has "7.5 – 20.3" from 1-18. (Which in my humble opinion should be max "6-15.") Despite her meager mana pool of "300 – 980" she can spam almost non-stop for (and I counted) 23 seconds in a non-ending fight while still having over 30% of her mana pool remaining. This, coupled with even more healing from conqueror and Domination tree. (life steal and spell vamp) She loses all meaningful counterplay. She's tanky as, well, a juggernaut, with the capacity for 20-40% missing hp healing, coupled with 6-12% spell-vamp, and a never-ending mana supply. In general when up against a brawler/juggernaut with substantial damage and no built mana you just wait for them to tucker themselves out and then you fall on them. This simply doesn't happen with Illaoi, because her mana costs are substantially lower than her class competitors, and her mana regen is high enough to, for the most part, ignore the need to build any mana whatsoever.

Forcing her to diverge just slightly from a purely complimentary build if she wants overall sustain is hardly unfair, or even unreasonable. You can still build the same as you do now, but you'll have to be much more efficient or effective. Or you'll have to get some mana.

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Crispy0Snake2 votes

I mean restricting her mana just means that she upgrades phage into trinity instead of black cleaver

If you go on the Illaoi mains subreddit there are threads and threads of item 3071 vs item 3078, much like there will be with Darius and even Garen

Her main weakness is wiffing her E and then getting all inned, ignite tops that will just flash her E and kill her and fkin Urgot

Urgot hard counters Illaoi because if she lands her E, he can E into her and press W, and by the time Urgot's E stun wears off there will be no spirit, so you've got no real all in potential against him, he'll just win and ult you, you die... definitely a matchup you spend under tower as illaoi

Hope the counterpick helps

LatetotheRace1 votes

If she just jumps on you and point blanks the E that removes substantial counterplay on your point. Unless you have tremendous mobility coupled with decent harass you're not beating her in lane. Which you know what? I don't care that I can't win every lane. The problem that I'm trying to address is that she doesn't run out of mana. Your counterplay tips all fine and all, but they don't help AT ALL with anyone short of divers/fighters. (think tanks, other juggernauts, and bruisers.) There should always be a mana issue with champions like Illaoi which literally hemorrhage abilities until you and they die.

See now, I'm from the golden age of league, where (most) things have genuine counterplay and who wins a matchup actually boils down to who is the most skilled. Not having to counterpick someone or else you lose.

Hope that helps you understand the issue here.

Crispy0Snake1 votes

My point was that nerfing her mana just means that she buys trinity, and she's not really worse off with that build path, your suggested changes won't do anything to change how strong she currently is

The game has always had counters, Sion has a ~45% winrate into Illaoi. I'd love to see some classic tank champs winrates into Renekton lol, they'd probably be worse

LatetotheRace1 votes

Trinity force gives +250 mana That's about one full combo without an ult. Which will of course help, but would not let her do what she does now. And yeah, sion doesn't have a lot of tools against her, which is fine and I'm okay with that. But her late game should not be able to just endlessly bash him until he dies. (Remember the 23 seconds in the OP, I was facing her head on that entire time dodging at least half of her skillshots. But she inevitably won due to endless mana.)

Saezio1 votes

I would not be against nerfing her mana regen and buffing something else in her kit. Like E travel speed. That shit is sooo slooow and sooo telegraphed.

LatetotheRace1 votes

Why? You're saying what's tantamount to, "Well if we remove the razorwire from the top of the fence, can we electrocute the fence?" I'm not asking for a balanced part of her kit to be nerfed. I'm asking for her concrete wall mana regen to be downgraded to a steel bar fence. As I stated, and I'm not kidding in the slightest, 23 seconds into a fight with her using everything nearly right off of CD again, and again, and again, with not mana pool bonuses or mana regen bonuses she was left with slightly over 30% mana left. This isn't a ridiculous request nor is it unfounded. Compensation buffs are one of the reasons why league is in such an unbalanced state, and damage is so high.

Saezio1 votes

Illaoe is weak. You want to make her even weaker. This warrants a compensation buff 1000%.

If you look at her numbers the champion is underpowered.

LatetotheRace1 votes

I would have a hard time arguing that she's weak atm, I will entirely agree to the concept of her being feast or famine. But I don't think she's weak at all right now.

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