what class beats a battle mage?

xDogMeatx·Nov 30, 2019·1 votes·1,594 views

if assassins beat normal mages, what beats battle mages?

14 Comments

Chembaron YamadaNov 30, 20192 votes

As always, it depends a bit on the specific champion. Not every burst mages gets countered by assassins, for example, like Lissandra.

But in general I would guess that artillery mages do well against them. Battle mages tend to have shorter ranges than other mage classes. An artillery mage specialises in long range combat, wittling the battle mage down over time. And most of the sustain from a battle mage (if they got any) mostly comes from combat with champions. But if they can't reach the artillery mage, then they can't use it.

xDogMeatxNov 30, 20191 votes

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As always, it depends a bit on the specific champion. Not every burst mages gets countered by assassins, for example, like Lissandra.

But in general I would guess that artillery mages do well against them. Battle mages tend to have shorter ranges than other mage classes. An artillery mage specialises in long range combat, wittling the battle mage down over time. And most of the sustain from a battle mage (if they got any) mostly comes from combat with champions. But if they can't reach the artillery mage, then they can't use it.

oh that makes sense. since (in general) battle mages can survive assassin burst by shields and whatnot while artillery mages dont give them that chance.

AlüeDec 1, 20192 votes

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but to elaborate on the above, artillery mages starve out their opponents. A vlad can't be very sustainable if the wave is pushed to the tower every time and the poking is constant.

WoonStruckDec 1, 20191 votes

Depends. Some junglers leave a raptor so you can get that juicy full empowered Q heal.

Sometimes I'll go predator vs artillary mages, depending on how I see some teamfights or 1v1s going.

xDogMeatxDec 1, 20191 votes

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Not sure if you're being sarcastic but to elaborate on the above, artillery mages starve out their opponents. A vlad can't be very sustainable if the wave is pushed to the tower every time and the poking is constant.

why would i be sarcastic if im very straight forward in asking a question?

PopcornBunniDec 1, 20192 votes

Battlemages as a class focus on sustained damage. Anything that builds item 3194 and the deliberately anti-Magic champions ( Kassadin Galio Sylas DrMundo Camille ) specifically do strongly against the kind of damage battlemages output.

They also have the lowest mobility in the game and no escape options outside of Vladimir pool, so any of the hypermobile recent releases can easily outplay many of them Akali Irelia Yasuo Fiora Katarina

And finally, anything with good waveclear/poke can keep battlemages under tower while they roam and make plays Ekko Neeko Ahri Xerath

xDogMeatxDec 1, 20191 votes

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Battlemages as a class focus on sustained damage. Anything that builds and the deliberately anti-Magic champions ( ) specifically do strongly against the kind of damage battlemages output.

They also have the lowest mobility in the game and no escape options outside of pool, so any of the hypermobile recent releases can easily outplay many of them

And finally, anything with good waveclear/poke can keep battlemages under tower while they roam and make plays

so they are a mage juggernauts basically?

PopcornBunniDec 1, 20191 votes

Not exactly, but there is some overlap. Chogath has traits of both, and Rumble could easily be classified as a juggernaut over a mage. More so they don't offer the same thing to a team as a juggernaut. While a Juggernaut's biggest strength is their ability to keep an opponent from running away ( Darius pull, Yorick cage, Mordekaiser THUNDERDOME), what battlemages offer is more like a magic varient of the ADC: sustained damage from range across an entire fight. They're also much squishier than Juggernauts outside of the already mentioned Chogath / Rumble , and can get collapsed on as long as they aren't already under their tower. (RIP to all the Talon mains that died being baited by Eggnivia)

xDogMeatxDec 1, 20191 votes

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Not exactly, but there is some overlap. has traits of both, and could easily be classified as a juggernaut over a mage. More so they don't offer the same thing to a team as a juggernaut. While a Juggernaut's biggest strength is their ability to keep an opponent from running away ( pull, cage, THUNDERDOME), what battlemages offer is more like a magic varient of the ADC: sustained damage from range across an entire fight. They're also much squishier than Juggernauts outside of the already mentioned /, and can get collapsed on as long as they aren't already under their tower. (RIP to all the Talon mains that died being baited by Eggnivia)

i see why they are similar while also different. juggernauts has abilities to slow or stop escapes while battlemages just live through the duration through shields.

The thigh guyDec 1, 20192 votes

Any assassin ever.

Death by GlamourNov 30, 20191 votes

battle mages?

define please.

Chembaron YamadaNov 30, 20193 votes

Battle mages are short ranged mages with a dps pattern. Examples would be: Vladimir Ryze Cassiopeia Karthus Swain AurelionSol

NaughtyWordDec 1, 20191 votes

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define please.