Um.... why is this Shyvana's suggested jungle start for items?

Phoenix Kotori ·11/21/2015, 10:15:38 PM·81 votes·5,762 views
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  1. Shyvana doesn't use mana
  2. Shyvana clears faster with the machete
  3. Shyvana sustains better with the machete

So who decided it was a good idea to have this item should be her recommended one?

Rito Please stop baiting people who don't know better in make a poor decision and gimping their first clear.

102 Comments

what you deserve11/21/2015, 10:54:03 PM11 votes

Same for Warwick. Why?

Eeyore11/22/2015, 12:51:03 PM9 votes

Hunter's Talisman is actually Hunter's Machete from last season in terms of item code just disguised as a new item (if you look at the match history you will see people were building Hunter's Talisman last season). The 2016 Hunter's Machete is a new item with the same name and icon as the old item. Any champion that has Hunter's Talisman in their build almost certainly hasn't had their recommended items updated to reflect the new season and is just uses the same items as last season - so the real issue is that recommended items haven't been updated rather than having been updated badly.

Heretic Lunari11/22/2015, 1:26:34 AM8 votes

She can reach 100 fury faster /kappa

7ha7guy77711/21/2015, 10:16:13 PM4 votes

Because it's a dragon

Dominick Destine11/21/2015, 10:16:21 PM4 votes

LOL. That's a pretty good catch.

Jungle Lux God11/22/2015, 2:32:45 AM3 votes

The problem here is not that Talisman is a recommended item for her. Obviously Machete is a lot stronger on Shyvana, but Talisman probably would be an equally good option on Shyvana given they were both of approximately equal strength because of Shyvana's high amount of AoE damage, and might account for new Shyvana players starting WE on her, which might be a more favorable start to use Talisman than Machete.

The problem is that Refillable Potion is a recommended item for Shyvana over 3 health potions when it gives less health regen than three potions and may not even need Hunter's Potion in the mid game given her strength with both jungle items.

GetMariahCarried11/22/2015, 2:21:33 AM3 votes

She actually doesn't sustain better with the machete. I did a few in-game tests and found with her aoe, the health steal on talisman is fairly hefty. Does she clear the big ones faster with on-hits? Of course, but I did find in an apples to apples comparison of health with same setups at certain stages of jungling, I had significantly more health with talisman.

Talisman is suggested because it's best for aoe champs who can health steal all targets all the time, and shyvana can do that (7 second aoe, 12 second cd, only down for 5 seconds in any given interval, health over time lasts for 5 seconds... do the math, the health steal basically never lets up with her.)

PDE5 Inhibitors11/22/2015, 6:20:56 PM3 votes

As a new player, I was called stupid for buying this suggested item lol.

Specter02711/22/2015, 6:31:06 PM2 votes

This new Jungle item is the bane of my existence. I hate it. I hate having it suggested. I hate having the cost of an upgraded blade increased due to it. I hate OOMing all the time while it's sitting in my inventory doing basically nothing. I hate the choice of "pick the item that sucks less" instead of "here's a decent jungle item to help you not get murdered @1.35s in."

EndlessSorcerer11/21/2015, 10:57:17 PM2 votes

Hunter's Talisman steals health from every monster you damage over 5 seconds.

I would assume that they recommended it because Shyvana's Burnout damages every monster in the camp, stealing health from 2-4 monsters until they die.

I'm personally sticking to Hunter's Machete due her Q and scaling with attack speed runes, but that's probably their reason.

Vesarixx11/21/2015, 11:06:37 PM2 votes

It's also suggesting cinderhulk over devourer, also the tips section in the client still suggests building items that can slow enemies on her and lists phage and trinity force as examples.

Slamurai Jack11/22/2015, 12:33:35 AM2 votes

They recommend item 1039 for Shyvana on the assumption that people will be building her tank with tank runes and masteries: Notice how Cinderhulk is her recommended jungle item and not Devourer, and all 3 of her essential items are tank items?

Mr Borg11/22/2015, 12:54:22 AM2 votes

It's the same for Zac.

Sasogwa11/22/2015, 1:21:16 AM2 votes

I know Riot put Black cleaver as a core item on Poppy in aram. Had a pretty good laugh there.

peachplumpear11/22/2015, 1:12:29 PM2 votes

Because her main jungle spell is W - an AoE, and that will proc on all the camps. Machete is better though because AA-Q-AA is 80 extra damage >_>

KaisadiIIa11/22/2015, 10:26:19 AM1 votes

4 There is no scenario right now where Machete isn't better than Talisman.

Ralanr11/21/2015, 10:16:21 PM1 votes

They also offer it for Sion. I might just be an idiot, but I don't know why.