All you did was further push her away from interacting and kill the champion for people who actually liked to play her. Her Q range is so insufferable that I'm forced to max W like a bitch and stand behind my ADC the entire game, it's barely even worth putting a point into it that's how impossible it is to use to any degree.
Good job Riot for sucking the fun out of a champion once again rofl.
Krinu6 votesMaxing Q first wasn't typically a good idea because of the outrageously high mana costs. Yes, you could do it, but you needed a dedicated mana income item - I'm talking something on the level of Athene's - in order to fuel its use. Maxing W gave you more sustain, and it's even a better call now because of how they changed the efficiency curve on it.
Maxing E first hasn't been a good idea since early in season 5 when they boosted the range on her W, cut her base AD, and increased the CD on her E.
Support Evelynn4 votesMaxing Q first wasn't typically a good idea because of the outrageously high mana costs. Yes, you could do it, but you needed a dedicated mana income item - I'm talking something on the level of Athene's - in order to fuel its use. Maxing W gave you more sustain, and it's even a better call now because of how they changed the efficiency curve on it.
Maxing E first hasn't been a good idea since early in season 5 when they boosted the range on her W, cut her base AD, and increased the CD on her E.
You didn't need a dedicated mana item outside of your frostqueen, not sure what you're talking about lol.
Penguin Eclipse3 votes[{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-12-12T17:25:29.007+0000)
You didn't need a dedicated mana item outside of your frostqueen, not sure what you're talking about lol.
I'm not sure who actually takes Frostqueen on Soraka. You can't tell me that happens often in the "elos that matter" because it definitely doesn't.
Support Evelynn1 votes[{quoted}](name=Penguin Eclipse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T17:42:51.110+0000)
I'm not sure who actually takes Frostqueen on Soraka. You can't tell me that happens often in the "elos that matter" because it definitely doesn't.
It was taken a decent amount last patch. It isn't shown on champion.gg anymore because of the changes. I knew a few personally who did it in diamond on a regular basis, myself included.
Dominick Destine2 votesI've seen people try that at Diamond.
They get horribly destroyed... usually ends with teammates (Justifiably) raging at the TrollRaka build.
Support Evelynn2 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2015-12-12T18:26:22.836+0000)
I've seen people try that at Diamond.
They get horribly destroyed... usually ends with teammates (Justifiably) raging at the TrollRaka build.
LOL what? I've never had this issue. Neither has my friend http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=A+sproutling
Dominick Destine1 votesFunny how he has two recent matches with Soraka and both were horrible failures, his overall stats are good though I see that... in any case, one can win with suboptimal play, it is just far riskier and not worth it.
You lose a lot on Soraka, you should consider not building that way.
Krinu2 votesStarcall's mana cost is 70 / 75 / 80 / 85 / 90.
Soraka has a level 1 mana regen of 2.3 mana / second. With the two starting components to Frost Queen's Claim, you have 3.45 mana per second.
At level 1, you can use Starcall once every 20.3 seconds. (Assuming Q R1) At level 2, you can use Starcall once every 19.8 seconds. (Assuming Q R1, W R1) At level 3, you can use Starcall once every 20.7 seconds. (Q R2, W R1) At level 4, you can use Starcall once every 20.2 seconds (Q R2, W R1, E R1) At level 5, you can use Starcall once every 15.7 seconds (Q R3, W R1, E R1, assuming you've backed to get Frostfang by this point) At level 6, you can use Starcall once every 15.3 seconds (Q R3, W R1, E R1, R R1) At level 7, you can use Starcall once every 15.9 seconds (Q R4, W R1, E R1 R R1) At level 8, you can use Starcall once every 15.4 seconds (Q R4, W R2, E R1, R R1) At level 9, you can use Starcall once every 12.7 seconds (Q R5, W R2 E R1 R R1, assuming you've finished Frost Queen's Claim)
So if by "enough mana regeneration" you mean "use the ability at a third the rate its cooldown allows assuming you're never casting W ever" then sure, you don't need a mana regeneration item.
Support Evelynn2 votesStarcall's mana cost is 70 / 75 / 80 / 85 / 90.
Soraka has a level 1 mana regen of 2.3 mana / second. With the two starting components to Frost Queen's Claim, you have 3.45 mana per second.
At level 1, you can use Starcall once every 20.3 seconds. (Assuming Q R1) At level 2, you can use Starcall once every 19.8 seconds. (Assuming Q R1, W R1) At level 3, you can use Starcall once every 20.7 seconds. (Q R2, W R1) At level 4, you can use Starcall once every 20.2 seconds (Q R2, W R1, E R1) At level 5, you can use Starcall once every 15.7 seconds (Q R3, W R1, E R1, assuming you've backed to get Frostfang by this point) At level 6, you can use Starcall once every 15.3 seconds (Q R3, W R1, E R1, R R1) At level 7, you can use Starcall once every 15.9 seconds (Q R4, W R1, E R1 R R1) At level 8, you can use Starcall once every 15.4 seconds (Q R4, W R2, E R1, R R1) At level 9, you can use Starcall once every 12.7 seconds (Q R5, W R2 E R1 R R1, assuming you've finished Frost Queen's Claim)
So if by "enough mana regeneration" you mean "use the ability at a third the rate its cooldown allows assuming you're never casting W ever" then sure, you don't need a mana regeneration item.
As if you'd be spamming any poke on champions when they're off cooldown. The only supports who do that are velkoz and sona.
Krinu4 votesI don't consider casting an easily-avoided (even pre-patch) Q three times a minute to be a meaningful contribution to bot lane. If you want to play a poke champion, play a poke champion. Hell, if you want to play Soraka like this, you're seriously better off just picking Kayle.
Her Q does more damage, it's not a skillshot, and it always applies a slow. Follow up with an E-empowered basic attack and not only do you proc all three charges of Spellthief's / Frostfang / FQC (Q counts as one, E spell damage counts as one, E basic attack counts as one) but you also trigger Thunderlord's Decree for extra damage. It's not hard to chunk off a third of the ADC's health pool with that.
Support Evelynn1 votesI don't consider casting an easily-avoided (even pre-patch) Q three times a minute to be a meaningful contribution to bot lane. If you want to play a poke champion, play a poke champion. Hell, if you want to play Soraka like this, you're seriously better off just picking Kayle.
Her Q does more damage, it's not a skillshot, and it always applies a slow. Follow up with an E-empowered basic attack and not only do you proc all three charges of Spellthief's / Frostfang / FQC (Q counts as one, E spell damage counts as one, E basic attack counts as one) but you also trigger Thunderlord's Decree for extra damage. It's not hard to chunk off a third of the ADC's health pool with that.
Kayle's ranges are incredibly low, and most of her trading power is in E.
Not to mention her heal is completely horrible unless you max it first, unlike Soraka who can get away with one point.
Penguin Eclipse1 votesI don't consider casting an easily-avoided (even pre-patch) Q three times a minute to be a meaningful contribution to bot lane. If you want to play a poke champion, play a poke champion. Hell, if you want to play Soraka like this, you're seriously better off just picking Kayle.
Her Q does more damage, it's not a skillshot, and it always applies a slow. Follow up with an E-empowered basic attack and not only do you proc all three charges of Spellthief's / Frostfang / FQC (Q counts as one, E spell damage counts as one, E basic attack counts as one) but you also trigger Thunderlord's Decree for extra damage. It's not hard to chunk off a third of the ADC's health pool with that.
Yeah but her actual ability to support outside of damage isn't all that great at the moment. She only has a slow for CC. Her heal is pretty bad, particularly because it is never maxed until late. Her Q range is only 650, limiting her ability to poke effectively. And there are too many factors that impact how useful her 2 second R really is.
Sona or even Lux would be better poke supports if poke is your primarily objective. I am betting support Lux will see an uptick in popularity once people realize how powerful she is from the preseason changes.
Krinu1 votesI've already seen Lux a lot in the mid-lane, but not that frequently as support.
Also, there isn't much of a reason to max Kayle's E first as support, because the AP ratio and cooldown don't change, only the base damage. 33AP is the equivalent increase in damage as an extra rank in her E, so it makes more sense to go Q->W->E and just get a lot of AP to help offset her otherwise weak heal.
Her range is definitely an issue, though, I'll grant that.
CrazedPorcupine2 votesI'm sorry, but I'm also a soraka main, and While yes, her Q got hit hard, Her non-interactive, SV+Warmogs build was so frustrating for people to play against because it made her so stupidly tanky. Riot wants Soraka to be interactive. They succeeded in forcing her to take more risks to sustain her healing. All in all, the biggest/most impacting nerf to Soraka was her Q range. That hit her hard.
Dominick Destine1 votesJust max E first now.
Support Evelynn4 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-12-12T17:04:22.458+0000)
Just max E first now.
E max first is garbage. Huge amount of it is on the second portion which is impossible to land now because you can't lead with Q. W max is the only option on Soraka now, and you have no opportunity to be aggressive ever.
Dominick Destine2 votesMax E is great. The massive cooldown is reduced , thus you are granted a better defensive mechanism for when your ADC is attacked.
W max is the only option on Soraka now
Uhh what? of course you max W, you always maxed W... then you maxed Q but rather, it's better to max E after W.
Support Evelynn1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T17:12:30.705+0000)
Max E is great. The massive cooldown is reduced , thus you are granted a better defensive mechanism for when your ADC is attacked.
Uhh what? of course you max W, you always maxed W... then you maxed Q but rather, it's better to max E after W.
I maxed Q because it was my playstyle, and now it's impossible. Q in general is just impossible to use now. And it was always better to max Q first or second on Soraka purely because of the CD, being able to kite back with Q and healing a lot is vital especially when you're playing a more AP oriented Soraka.
The CD on E is alright but you shouldn't be using it like a retard anyways, it never really gets to the point where you can use it many times in a fight.
Deep Terror Nami4 votesIf Q max is your playstyle, maybe you should be playing Karma or Sona instead? Soraka is the healing champion and doesn't work any other way very well.
Support Evelynn1 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T17:26:51.850+0000)
If Q max is your playstyle, maybe you should be playing Karma or Sona instead? Soraka is the healing champion and doesn't work any other way very well.
I take the lower damage for higher overall healing because I think it's fun. Now though I get zero damage output and become a complete heal bot which is uninteractive and boring, it's also completely against the spirit of the rework.
Soraka was intended to be able to max W or Q, both of which were viable in the highest elos.
Dominick Destine3 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T17:26:51.850+0000)
If Q max is your playstyle, maybe you should be playing Karma or Sona instead? Soraka is the healing champion and doesn't work any other way very well.
This.
Penguin Eclipse1 votesThe nerfs definitely impact her laning like they wanted. You now actually have to conserve your heals if you don't want to interact (heal yourself) and you don't want to run out of mana. She is no longer the endless sustain support in lane. Outside of the lane though... she's fairly untouched. Which will likely mean more nerfs are on the way.
Support Evelynn2 votes[{quoted}](name=Penguin Eclipse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-12-12T17:17:36.724+0000)
The nerfs definitely impact her laning like they wanted. You now actually have to conserve your heals if you don't want to interact (heal yourself) and you don't want to run out of mana. She is no longer the endless sustain support in lane. Outside of the lane though... she's fairly untouched. Which will likely mean more nerfs are on the way.
No her laning was untouched. People didn't try to Q on Soraka in lane if you were playing it right. Just stand behind the ADC in xp range and the coin+masteries will easily sustain any damage from healing.
They nerfed the interactive play style but left the cancer sustain playstyle.
Penguin Eclipse1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-12-12T17:20:21.054+0000)
No her laning was untouched. People didn't try to Q on Soraka in lane if you were playing it right. Just stand behind the ADC in xp range and the coin+masteries will easily sustain any damage from healing.
They nerfed the interactive play style but left the cancer sustain playstyle.
That's assuming your adc isn't an idiot who doesn't worry about taking excessive damage because they know they have a Soraka. It's fairly rare from my experience that the coin+masteries is enough sustain.
Support Evelynn1 votes[deleted]
Penguin Eclipse2 votes[{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T17:32:21.598+0000)
Just because people in YOUR elo are completely retarded doesn't mean people in plat and diamond are, aka elos that matter.
That's common at all elos actually unless you and I are not playing the same game?
People take more damage when they know they have a healer. Intentionally or subconsciously, it just happens. Don't believe me? Observe bottom lane over the course of 10 games where one side has a healer and the other doesn't. You'll see.
Support Evelynn1 votes[{quoted}](name=Penguin Eclipse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T17:40:11.170+0000)
That's common at all elos actually unless you and I are not playing the same game?
People take more damage when they know they have a healer. Intentionally or subconsciously, it just happens. Don't believe me? Observe bottom lane over the course of 10 games where one side has a healer and the other doesn't. You'll see.
As they should, taking damage with a healer like soraka for bad trades and winning them by proxy is exactly why she's so strong in higher elos. The only time it's an issue is if the ADC doesn't trade back which is usually a low elo problem.
Haunt1 votes[{quoted}](name=Penguin Eclipse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T17:40:11.170+0000)
That's common at all elos actually unless you and I are not playing the same game?
People take more damage when they know they have a healer. Intentionally or subconsciously, it just happens. Don't believe me? Observe bottom lane over the course of 10 games where one side has a healer and the other doesn't. You'll see.
Uh, no he's definitely right. People don't take free damage because they have a healer. That still makes her have to use her own hp and mana do heal you. Adcs in a good elo won't do that, why would they want to hinder you by making you lose resources? They might over trade at times for that reason, but they don't just eat Lucian q and a passive proc for no reason.
Speak for yourself. Good elos don't do that.
Penguin Eclipse4 votesUh, no he's definitely right. People don't take free damage because they have a healer. That still makes her have to use her own hp and mana do heal you. Adcs in a good elo won't do that, why would they want to hinder you by making you lose resources? They might over trade at times for that reason, but they don't just eat Lucian q and a passive proc for no reason.
Speak for yourself. Good elos don't do that.
Again, you and I must not be playing the same game then. That or you never play healing supports or bottom lane in general and simply don't notice. Which looks to be the case.
Support Evelynn5 votes[{quoted}](name=Penguin Eclipse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=0001000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2015-12-12T17:49:41.882+0000)
Again, you and I must not be playing the same game then.
Easy to say when you're hiding behind a level 15, I doubt you have game experience beyond silver.
Penguin Eclipse1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=00010000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T17:51:23.711+0000)
Easy to say when you're hiding behind a level 15, I doubt you have game experience beyond silver.
The level of this account doesn't matter to me. It could be Bronze 5 for all I care. I created this account back in season 3 to post on GD. A common practice nearly everyone partook in to prevent getting their mains banned for trolling. I keep it around now because I don't want my comments/opinions being associated with my otherwise clean reputation main. I see quite a few people here that I see in game regularly, particularly in higher mmr Dominion. Though less so over the last year. :(
Dominick Destine2 votes[{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=00010000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T17:51:23.711+0000)
Easy to say when you're hiding behind a level 15, I doubt you have game experience beyond silver.
OHOHOHOJOUSAMA. You just said the magic word. Let's check it out; http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/NA/maya%20fey Wait what the @#*$&% You are ranked on the same level as me (We're both Diamond) and you main the same character as I do (Evelynn). How you could possibly be presenting that type of argument? it does not compute.
This is very unexpected. Why would you build Soraka sub-optimally? don't you think that is the reason your win rate with Soraka is so proportionately low compared to your other mains????
I like your performance as Evelynn, though I dislike your constant use of Rylais (Subpar item on Evelynn). Still, props for successfully Evelining it up. Here are my stats; http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/NA/Dominick%20Destine/champions
Support Evelynn4 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=000100000000000000000001000000000001,timestamp=2015-12-12T18:31:13.465+0000)
OHOHOHOJOUSAMA. You just said the magic word. Let's check it out; http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/NA/maya%20fey Wait what the @#*$&% You are ranked on the same level as me (We're both Diamond) and you main the same character as I do (Evelynn). How you could possibly be presenting that type of argument? it does not compute.
This is very unexpected. Why would you build Soraka sub-optimally? don't you think that is the reason your win rate with Soraka is so proportionately low compared to your other mains????
I like your performance as Evelynn, though I dislike your constant use of Rylais (Subpar item on Evelynn). Still, props for successfully Evelining it up. Here are my stats; http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/NA/Dominick%20Destine/champions
I lost a shit ton of Soraka games earlier in the season when I was relearning how to play the damn champion, I'm damn fucking good at her now.
Also rofl @ rylai's being a SUBPAR item on Evelynn, whatever drugs you're smoking I want some.
Dominick Destine1 votesYour stats on Evelynn are very good... but mine are better practically across the board. I get more gold, have more kills and less deaths per game, you have slightly more assists than I do but that is irrelevant.
According to Lolskill I am the better Evelynn player (Performance %), if only slightly.... and it is my assessment that Rylais is a newbtrap item. It is too expensive for the minimal damage/survivability benefit it provides and the slow is useless (Slows do not stack... Agony's Embrace is greater than Rylai's slow and blue smite is worse). Abyssal Scepter is a far better investment, for less gold and larger power spike.
But again, if you have made it work, that is good. Evelynn is not an easy character to play and many people fail miserably. So no, it is not "drugs" I am on... but if I was on drugs, I would still be a better Evelynn player than you so keep your insults to yourself.
Support Evelynn4 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=00010000000000000000000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T18:48:03.375+0000)
Your stats on Evelynn are very good... but mine are better practically across the board. I get more gold, have more kills and less deaths per game, you have slightly more assists than I do but that is irrelevant.
According to Lolskill I am the better Evelynn player (Performance %), if only slightly....
Using lolskill as evidence that you're a better Eve than me? Fucking adorable.
and it is my assessment that Rylais is a newbtrap item. It is too expensive for the minimal damage/survivability benefit it provides and the slow is useless (Slows do not stack... Agony's Embrace is greater than Rylai's slow and blue smite is worse). Abyssal Scepter is a far better investment, for less gold and larger power spike.
You do realize that it was both Rylai's and Runeglaive that got Eve nerfed right? And your only argument is that slows don't stack? But so what, your ult isn't always up and a 40% slow on your Q is absolutely amazing. It lets you kite better, peel and chase better. It is simply the best utility AP item you could ever buy on Evelynn.
But again, if you have made it work, that is good. Evelynn is not an easy character to play and many people fail miserably. So no, it is not "drugs" I am on... but if I was on drugs, I would still be a better Evelynn player than you so keep your insults to yourself.
Rofl you wish bud.
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=000100000000000000000001000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T18:55:39.920+0000)
Using lolskill as evidence that you're a better Eve than me? Fucking adorable.
Stats don't lie, but keep putting your fingers in your ears and pretending otherwise.
You do realize that it was both Rylai's and Runeglaive that got Eve nerfed right?
The "nerfs" that Evelynn has suffered recently were pretty much nothing compared to what she has suffered before. Any decent Evelynn main adapted quickly to the so-called 'nerfs'.
And your only argument is that slows don't stack? But so what, your ult isn't always up and a 40% slow on your Q is absolutely amazing. It lets you kite better, peel and chase better. It is simply the best utility AP item you could ever buy on Evelynn.
It was not my only argument but let's re-state for your benefit.; It is expensive, it provides very little damage and the slow is marginally useful at best given that Evelynn already has (arguably) two slows (Ult/Blue smite) keeping in mind that slows do not stack. Rylais is not worth the investment.
It is a newbtrap item.
Rofl you wish bud.
I dislike having to school a fellow Diamond Evelynn player but... your builds are inferior, your mastery and rune choices are inferior; There is a reason your win rate is lower than mine, there is a reason you die more and kill less than I do. And no, that is not my opinion, that is statistical fact.
I am a better Evelynn player than you. I did not want to be so cruel but you are continually talking trash and it was necessary to curbstomp said nonsense, gg.
Support Evelynn4 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=0001000000000000000000010000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T19:01:09.512+0000)
Stats don't lie, but keep putting your fingers in your ears and pretending otherwise.
If stats don't lie I must be the better Eve because lolskill rates me higher :^)
The "nerfs" that Evelynn has suffered recently were pretty much nothing compared to what she has suffered before. Any decent Evelynn main adapted quickly to the so-called 'nerfs'.
The Q nerfs were pretty substantial. I know she's gotten worse but that's not what I was arguing.
It was not my only argument but let's re-state for your benefit.; It is expensive, it provides very little damage and the slow is marginally useful at best given that Evelynn already has (arguably) two slows (Ult/Blue smite). Rylais is not worth the investment.
It's why you'd take red smite with rylai's now anyways, it's simply the best skirmishing combo anyways for quicker games.
I dislike having to school a fellow Diamond Evelynn player but... your builds are inferior, your mastery and rune choices are inferior; There is a reason your win rate is lower than mine, there is a reason you die more and kill less than I do. And no, that is not my opinion, that is statistical fact.
I am a better Evelynn player than you. I did not want to be so cruel but you are continually talking trash and it was necessary to curbstomp said nonsense, gg.
Rofl, runes and masteries inferior? You mean the Runes that have been STANDARD on her for 2+ seasons now? You've got to be joking. Also I've been mainly playing norms on my smurf lately http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Shadow%20Walk
Also if Rylai's is such a noobtrap, pros must be noobs huh xd
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=00010000000000000000000100000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T19:08:21.409+0000)
If stats don't lie I must be the better Eve because lolskill rates me higher
Because you've played more matches, not because of performance per game. Sup.
The Q nerfs were pretty substantial. I know she's gotten worse but that's not what I was arguing.
20 damage on max Q wasn't that big of a deal.
It's why you'd take red smite with rylai's now anyways, it's simply the best skirmishing combo anyways for quicker games.
That's a horrible choice... blue smite is infinitely superior to red smite. Evelynn will get destroyed in any extended fight, she is all about bursting.
Rofl, runes and masteries inferior? You mean the Runes that have been STANDARD on her for 2+ seasons now?
"Standard" doesn't work for Diamond brackets, this isn't Bronze Chaos, it's Diamond pride. You need to do better than "LETS TAKE THE FIRST MOBAFIRE GUID" style.
Also if Rylai's is such a noobtrap, pros must be noobs huh
If that's the case, then why are your stats so much lower than mine? gg.
Support Evelynn1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=00010000000000000000000100000000000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2015-12-12T19:15:22.448+0000)
Because you've played more matches, not because of performance per game. Sup.
If that's what helps you sleep at night sure (^:
20 damage on max Q wasn't that big of a deal.
It's big when you consider she'll get multiple casts in a fight.
That's a horrible choice... blue smite is infinitely superior to red smite. Evelynn will get destroyed in any extended fight, she is all about bursting.
Red smite isn't lower damage. It's just a better choice right now to help you survive against the incredibly high damage skirmishing junglers right now like Xin and Lee. Plus it goes great with ignite.
"Standard" doesn't work for Diamond brackets, this isn't Bronze Chaos, it's Diamond pride. You need to do better than "LETS TAKE THE FIRST MOBAFIRE GUID" style.
If that's the case, then why are your stats so much lower than mine? gg.
"Standard" as in "every pro has used this for years in professional play". Her rune page doesn't have much if any flexibility, she needs the damage for early game pressure.
Chaoticbanana1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=00010000000000000000000100000000000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2015-12-12T19:15:22.448+0000)
Because you've played more matches, not because of performance per game. Sup.
If you take away the extra points from experience you have literally 1 point over him
Your site even says that Maya has much more "general skill" with Evelynn than you do.
That's a horrible choice... blue smite is infinitely superior to red smite. Evelynn will get destroyed in any extended fight, she is all about bursting.
Explains why red smite is just as popular as blue smite on Probuilds
"Standard" doesn't work for Diamond brackets, this isn't Bronze Chaos, it's Diamond pride. You need to do better than "LETS TAKE THE FIRST MOBAFIRE GUID" style.
No one said anything about Mobafire guides but okay
Also I doubt it's where competitive players get their runes and masteries, which match up with what Maya uses (the Lulu is Hot page)
If that's the case, then why are your stats so much lower than mine? gg.
DAMN 1 WHOLE POINT ON A SITE THAT MAKES ZERO SENSE
ya okay
Haunt6 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=0001000000000000000000010000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T19:01:09.512+0000)
I dislike having to school a fellow Diamond Evelynn player but... your builds are inferior, your mastery and rune choices are inferior; There is a reason your win rate is lower than mine, there is a reason you die more and kill less than I do. And no, that is not my opinion, that is statistical fact.
I am a better Evelynn player than you. I did not want to be so cruel but you are continually talking trash and it was necessary to curbstomp said nonsense, gg.
It's honestly hilarious how egotistical you are solely because lolskill said so.
He has 140 games more than you, his stats are going to be considerably at least a little bit worse than yours.
I don't even play Eve and I can say how much better his build is. What kind of Eve main thinks Rylais is a noobtrap item? I've both witnessed, and played against an Eve with that item. It isn't fun to put up with. It's a fantastic item, and I don't get where you're getting this from. You say it gives little damage, but you do realize it gives you 100 AP, right? (The same amount that Zhonyas gives, which you build pretty often).
You're just one of those people that thinks they're right because of one, little to meaningless stat. You're both Diamond 5. It's not like you're Diamond 1 and he's gold 4, you gotta get off your high horse there, bud.
I want you to get as many games as he has and come back and show me your stats. I bet they will be the same as his, if not worse. You wanna talk about stats, we can bring up stats. It's basic knowledge about how statistics work in terms of the correlation of prosper/failure. Someone that has played more games, especially with the majority of them being around that elo, is going to MOST LIKELY have worse stats than someone else. That's like if someone had 200 games on Azir with a 60% winrate, and he was getting shit talked by some dude with 60 games and a 70% winrate because "my winrate and stats are higher."
I see more people doing what he does than I see you do. If you think it's bad, by all means don't use it I guess. But like I said, be sure to come back to this thread in 140 more games with you using your own build so I can see how much your winrate changes.
Erockandroll1 votes[{quoted}](name=Penguin Eclipse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-12-12T17:17:36.724+0000)
The nerfs definitely impact her laning like they wanted. You now actually have to conserve your heals if you don't want to interact (heal yourself) and you don't want to run out of mana. She is no longer the endless sustain support in lane. Outside of the lane though... she's fairly untouched. Which will likely mean more nerfs are on the way.
Unless Riot decides that her weaker Early game is a fair tradeoff for her presence mid to late game. I wouldn't be surprised if they left her alone after this.
Penguin Eclipse1 votesUnless Riot decides that her weaker Early game is a fair tradeoff for her presence mid to late game. I wouldn't be surprised if they left her alone after this.
They will smash her again if tank raka continues to grow, which seems likely.
Support Evelynn1 votesUnless Riot decides that her weaker Early game is a fair tradeoff for her presence mid to late game. I wouldn't be surprised if they left her alone after this.
They'll nerf her again.
http://champion.gg/champion/Soraka
Winrate was barely touched because they nerfed the dumbest things possible.
DrNova1 votesI hear a salty main
Support Evelynn1 votesI hear a salty main
She's literally the only support I enjoy playing so yeah I'm a bit salty that the only way I can play her now is in the most boring way possible. Is this an issue?
DrNova3 votes[{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IZutgUg1,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2015-12-12T18:23:13.793+0000)
She's literally the only support I enjoy playing so yeah I'm a bit salty that the only way I can play her now is in the most boring way possible. Is this an issue?
The reason soraka is always complained about is because she provides such good healing to the ADC. That is her play style.
You claim to play her as a poke champ, but she is terribad at that. Low damage without a lot of ap, slow easy to dodge Q. Every poke support does it infinitely better.
You are playing her wrong and being kind of a shitty support for your ADC. Q's main focus is to recover HP for soraka so she can heal.
I do not see an issue with riot adjusting something to affect her actual play style regardless of whether it affects the one or two people who don't know how to use soraka or I tentionally gimp themselves and their ADC by playing highly inefficiently.
Elipo1 votesSo you are complaining because you now play the champion as its supossed to be played? Or are you being sarcastic? If you wanna kill chqmpions pick adc or mid or top. Not support
consensual clown1 voteswhy do low elo players like you think they're actually good at champions, if you knew how to play soraka you wouldn't be stuck in d5
iluvalar1 votesSo A) Yes her stats are affected, she lost .5% win rate and 5% in popularity. Obviously the least successful players are quitting her which is why her win rate doesnt drop that fast.
B) She's at 50.40% now while she was at 51% all during season 5. How much riot should "impact" her stats ? She's at the right spot as it is.