doesnt seem to make sense to me, when the first 3 picks are most likely to get counter picked in their lanes because theyre forced to draft first.
wouldnt it make sense to give them at least a ban to be able to ban out their hard counters? thinking about it, why was this ban order ever a thing?
tseihei3 votesThe goal of the current ranked draft system was to alleviate toxicity that originated from champion select. Allowing the last 3 picks to ban allows each player to have equal power, as the first two picks get priority over which champions they want, while the last three have control over bans. These makes for a thing of "if you troll me I have equal opportunity to troll you," keeping people from trolling in the first place(not always but it has seemed to help from my perspective.)
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesThe goal of the current ranked draft system was to alleviate toxicity that originated from champion select. Allowing the last 3 picks to ban allows each player to have equal power, as the first two picks get priority over which champions they want, while the last three have control over bans. These makes for a thing of "if you troll me I have equal opportunity to troll you," keeping people from trolling in the first place(not always but it has seemed to help from my perspective.)
yeah but you do realize that. just because vayne is strong doesn't mean am playing her top lane. roles are pre decided.
second of all makes you get counter picked. this is a silly argument that I heard way too many times.
tseihei2 votes"makes you get counter picked" Its understandable to see ranked as just a solo adventure, but its a team game and you're supposed to work with your team. Part of that is working together to have good bans that benefit the team, not just yourself. This is again, the idea, but not always what the result is.
I don't really understand your first point :l. Maybe I'm just tired, but I don't see where roles and vayne had entered this discussion. I think you pulled that from where I was talking about champion priority?
I'm not saying 3 bans is better than 5, as 5 would certainly be better for overall game play and balance reasons. I'm stating that 3 bans were divided among the team not because of gameplay, but for player behavior reasons.Improvement to pre-game Player behavior (which was seen to lead to changes in-game player behavior) was the starting and ending goal of the current draft layout, and that goal was accomplished...
Tranoze3 votesNot everyone want to counter pick. pre-role select make everyone picked a champ in their mind before they play ranked. So if they pick a Teemo top first, 90% i will play Nasus top if im a Nasus main.
So ban is not for counter pick, ban is for removing cancer for the game like 
Zero Skill Tank2 votesFirst picks have a chance to take a powerpick before enemy takes it from them. In soloQ powerpicks are usually more important than counterpicking.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesi thought with the 10 ban system each pick gets to have a ban ?
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IVLLnssT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-12T04:42:43.080+0000)
i thought with the 10 ban system each pick gets to have a ban ?
ok, yes. i already aknowledged that.
my question is, why is the current ban order even a thing? i mean the later your turn in the draft order, the more likely that your opponent is forced to draft before you and youre able to react to his pick.
isnt it kindof a dick move deny that guy a ban on top of that? he either has to rely on his team to ban out his counters or is screwed if they dont.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteswell the justification of it might be the top two picks get to pick whatever champs they want... and the last 3 have to pick out of whats left. just a guess.
but back in the olden days the 1st pick got to ban all 3 bans
if you are communicating with team and you are top with 1st pick having to pick blind... ask who ever is jungle or support if they can swap picks... you pick their champ and they pick for you.. but thats a crap shoot cuz no every one has all champs
i know a majority of my games if i get my preferred role im usually having to blind pick top lane. luckly i pick a champ who can be safe in that situation and typically good in all team comps. 
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IVLLnssT,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-12T04:49:34.831+0000)
well the justification of it might be the top two picks get to pick whatever champs they want... and the last 3 have to pick out of whats left. just a guess.
but back in the olden days the 1st pick got to ban all 3 bans
if you are communicating with team and you are top with 1st pick having to pick blind... ask who ever is jungle or support if they can swap picks... you pick their champ and they pick for you.. but thats a crap shoot cuz no every one has all champs
i know a majority of my games if i get my preferred role im usually having to blind pick top lane. luckly i pick a champ who can be safe in that situation and typically good in all team comps.
swapping picks isnt always an option though.
and as long as riot doesnt make every champion available for everyone in ranked games, i think its wrong to assume as much. swapping is very difficult in solo que, since most people dont own a lot of champions, or definitely not every champion. which prevents you from being able to swap half the time.
they also cut the time in champion select itself down by a significant amount. and theyre planning to shorten it even further. so less time to communicate if the other guy owns your entire roster and is even capable of picking for you.
ive had swap attemps backfire a couple of times, because it turned out the guy i picked for didnt own a single champion of my roster and didnt tell me. at many other times, the only champions they did own were the ones i wanted to avoid playing in the matchup im faced with and i ended up getting countered anyways. since then ive been very sceptical towards that strategy.
Hexs Fortune1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IVLLnssT,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-05-12T04:45:32.410+0000)
ok, yes. i already aknowledged that.
my question is, why is the current ban order even a thing? i mean the later your turn in the draft order, the more likely that your opponent is forced to draft before you and youre able to react to his pick.
isnt it kindof a dick move deny that guy a ban on top of that? he either has to rely on his team to ban out his counters or is screwed if they dont.
The solo queue ten bans system will be different than the one used in pro tournaments
Warlord Scrap1 votesBecause before role selection there was pick order. And to compensate the last 3 players having increasingly less options on which lane to choose they got to ban a champ. I cant answer as to why they didnt chamge this for role selection though that beats me.
powershot121 votesTo answer the why is because in high level matches first pick is most important. So they try to spread out the love to all 5 players. Getting your preferred champion is the number one thing and if a busted champion sneaks through, that could affect the game gratefully. But again this was a change that affects the top 1% of the community. It doesn't apply to us grunts so we get screwed over time and time again.
69469238DEL11 votesFirst picks get to grab power picks, how is this even a queston