riot when will you address the fact that 90% of melees are forced top or jungle

Big Lincoln·Feb 10, 2017·7 votes·796 views

when will we be allowed to lane against mages mid or survive 2v2 lanes?

you want to encourage more mage ADC replacements, but it's taboo to try or even talk about working melees into bot because you fucked it up with mord? maybe i want to see what the other lanes are like without being called a lot of censored words by my team

maybe i want Darius ADC to be meta. those bork changes are lookin' pretty tasty for him, meddler senpai

why don't WE get to have diversity?

19 Comments

DreadlocksFeb 10, 20172 votes

uhh, because champions that do well vs mages mid get qq'd on lolboards..

The Lost MarblesFeb 10, 20172 votes

I mean, you have Hexdrinker, which is still really strong and efficient for being a component item.

MinaZer0Feb 10, 20172 votes

"forced" the only thing forcing them into those lanes are the players, i.e. you as well, MAKE the Diversity, stop being a following sheep.

Big LincolnFeb 10, 20171 votes

t. dumbo mcgoo

yeah let me go 2v2 where I get poked to death and zoned hard before level 2

or go mid where mages will get to poke me out from long range while simultaneously clearing the wave while also CCing me, and not having mana troubles like they used to

duo lane's current XP split is what keeps melees out of bot (besides them not being allowed to deal with range) and mages being overtuned at all stages of the game keeps them from mid

MinaZer0Feb 10, 20171 votes

just gonna let the downvotes speak for me LUL I didn't really read this post.

ErockandrollFeb 10, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IRWI8EYU,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-02-10T21:52:12.721+0000)

t. dumbo mcgoo

yeah let me go 2v2 where I get poked to death and zoned hard before level 2

or go mid where mages will get to poke me out from long range while simultaneously clearing the wave while also CCing me, and not having mana troubles like they used to

duo lane's current XP split is what keeps melees out of bot (besides them not being allowed to deal with range) and mages being overtuned at all stages of the game keeps them from mid

Of coarse it was Breaking that Duo Lane split, was the main reason why Riot's little experiment with Mord, turned out to be a disaster. Unless your suggesting that we get rid of the split entirely, but I would imagine that would make things worse. (Supports would probably love it though) Riot Did say they wanted to see Melee's bot lane, but still thinks that there's an itemization barrier preventing that from happening.

DaNinadFeb 10, 20171 votes

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t. dumbo mcgoo

yeah let me go 2v2 where I get poked to death and zoned hard before level 2

or go mid where mages will get to poke me out from long range while simultaneously clearing the wave while also CCing me, and not having mana troubles like they used to

duo lane's current XP split is what keeps melees out of bot (besides them not being allowed to deal with range) and mages being overtuned at all stages of the game keeps them from mid

I went bruiser renekton mid against a syndra, got an s+, went 19/0/11, syndra complaining i was too tanky cause i build freaking maw of mawmortius. You complainers don't build situationally.

Zane ZephyrFeb 10, 20172 votes

theyre "forced" top or jungle because they get outpoked anywhere else and have zero poke to trade back with

WalkingInACircleFeb 10, 20171 votes

Oh they have poking abilities. Mid lane champions are chosen for tower proximity and roaming ability. Botlane is the dual lane because of dragon. An ADC remains important on a team for objective taking. Supports can be melees just fine, as can top, jungles, and roam based mids.

QuephaFeb 10, 20172 votes

I don't think what you want is possible without really ham-fisted mechanics like Mordekaiser or adding so much range to abilities that the champion is "melee" in name only.

Big LincolnFeb 10, 20172 votes

change the way duo XP works so that it doesn't take so long to reach level 2. a net increase in total XP but still shared evenly would instantly make a lot of melee champs viable bot lane, since they are more ability reliant than ranged auto-attackers and need them ASAP to get over the level 1 hurdle

not a difficult change

QuephaFeb 10, 20172 votes

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change the way duo XP works so that it doesn't take so long to reach level 2. a net increase in total XP but still shared evenly would instantly make a lot of melee champs viable bot lane, since they are more ability reliant than ranged auto-attackers and need them ASAP to get over the level 1 hurdle

not a difficult change

Duos already get a net increase to total xp earned for the team. Further increasing xp in a duo lane also does nothing to benefit melee relative to ranged champions, it would probably just make ranged mages better as they gain the most from levels.

Best princess EUFeb 10, 20171 votes

say that to lucian gangplank and darius they scale with levels WAY HARDER than any mages even a hypercarry like vayne scales with level as much as a mage

ACENOXFeb 10, 20172 votes

Meddler literally answered that in an other thread wtf are you doing?

ƒrenet ƒrameFeb 10, 20171 votes

Meaningless diversity isn't a good thing. Hell, there is an argument that champion diversity isn't a good thing at all. The most important thing is the quality and quantity of interaction between the players. Is there a large skill cap for my champion? Is there the ability to outplay my opponent? There is no reason to try and force new metas just for the sake of forcing them. The meta exists for a reason, and although it is nice to have it change once and a while, there is no reason to completely flip it on its head.

QuephaFeb 10, 20171 votes

Maybe this would be a more productive line of inquiry: what type of melee experience in the game do you think is missing? Why aren't you happy playing melee champs where they're traditionally played? Simply saying "more melee in support, adc, or mid" doesn't really mean anything as you're just describing places on the map.

Do you want the map influence of mid lane? There are a lot of melee assassins that specialize in roaming and ganking. Do you want to help out adcs in bot? There is actually a decent variety of melee supports of both offensive and defensive specialties. Do you want to BE babysat by a support while you focus on cs'ing? There are melee champions that focus on forcing farm lanes while solo and that's a pretty uninteractive process so I don't see the fun in demanding someone else is standing near you.

Big LincolnFeb 10, 20172 votes

i want equal representation

if riot is looking to implement more mages in the bottom lane then i want to be allowed to pick melees there, too

one-sided diversity is all we've gotten, with tumors like Jayce Quinn Graves Kindred Kennen Ryze fucking us in top or jungle, but they have one bad experience trying the opposite with Mordekaiser and we hear nothing about them planning to try again to see how they can make it more fair for both parties

but that's not even my biggest gripe with this; i don't want to play against riot's dumb fucking mage designs in bot lane, where they're immensely strong from level 1 and remain just as relevant as I do into late game despite me being a late game ADC, or a late game support with a shit early to compensate for it.

QuephaFeb 10, 20171 votes

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i want to be allowed to pick melees there, too

You are allowed to, that doesn't mean they'll automatically be strong. Being melee means having a weakness (lack of range) and presumably some strengths to make up for that. Being melee is a bigger weakness in some places on the map than others, so it only makes sense that melee champions would tend to be viable when being melee doesn't matter as much and tend to not be viable when it's a big deal.

one-sided diversity is all we've gotten, with tumors like fucking us in top or jungle, but they have one bad experience trying the opposite with and we hear nothing about them planning to try again to see how they can make it more fair for both parties

but that's not even my biggest gripe with this; i don't want to play against riot's dumb fucking mage designs in bot lane, where they're immensely strong from level 1 and remain just as relevant as I do into late game despite me being a late game ADC, or a late game support with a shit early to compensate for it.

It sounds like you made this thread just for an excuse to segue into complaints about some bad games you've had.