Actually, don't buff Kassadin

MCBiggah99·10/8/2015, 9:08:26 PM·8 votes·621 views

tl;dr of my story without even posting the full story: Got used to Kassadin, felt like maining him, mained him with an insane win rate, Kassadin got gutted, didn't feel like maining him anymore, recently picked him up again.

I've picked him up again, and he's fine, bit underwhelming maybe. I'd love buffs, buffs are lovely! But you know what I'm afraid of? Yeah you do, it's the same thing we're all afraid of, the same thing the Veigar mains are fearing right now, I'm afraid he'll go straight back to the chopping block after seeing a 3% increase in win rate due to a buff, which is obviously sacrilege on any champ which isn't Lux or Ahri. Isn't it kind of sad that we have to fear for our lives as soon as our mains get buffed, just because we expect them to get gutted two patches later? Feel free to discuss, just throwin' my thoughts out there.

28 Comments

Lugg10/8/2015, 9:17:22 PM3 votes

Personally, I think Kass is the best balanced assassin in the game right now. He can still hard carry, but he has definite weaknesses that can be exploited.

Prospector Pete10/8/2015, 9:22:05 PM2 votes

I'd like if they just made some small but noticeable buffs. I recently picked up Kassadin and I think he's really fun to play, but not exactly the strongest assassin.

OperationDEEZ110/8/2015, 9:46:51 PM1 votes

Right now just get Rod/Rabadons and you're set

Chuck Charles10/8/2015, 9:56:21 PM1 votes

Kassadin will always have to stay in a toned down state and be nerfed he becomes too relevant because his kit is cancerous for the game. His kit vs ap mages is probably almost as bad as malphite vs ad champions. not quite. but you get my point there.

the real issue has always been that his core identity is just too strong if you make him relevant with it. the riftwalk is cool thematically and I'm sure people who play kassadin enjoy him, but if kassadin is strong he is obnoxious with the basically no cooldown mobility and flashes. People will say all the time "but it costs more mana the more he uses it" blah blah blah and he can't use it endlessly. Even being able to use it 3 times in less than 30 seconds is ridiculous. Remember, it is not a dash. it is a blink. meaning it goes through walls and everything. which is what makes it more obnoxious than something like an ahri ultimate. (which is also frustrating to play against, but not on the level of kassadin)

now i don't think current kassadin is op or needs any further nerfs, but please don't buff him into an obnoxious state. when he's been good he's been cancer.

Budupops10/8/2015, 10:33:48 PM1 votes

they need to nerf kass tbh

FooDang10/9/2015, 1:58:28 AM1 votes

I'm afraid of him getting perma banned. I like that I can choose him whenever I want. No buffs plz...well maybe he needs a little love but not too much plz

The Bearded Bard10/9/2015, 5:27:18 AM1 votes

I went through the same thing with Shaco. It gets to the point where I'd rather he didn't get all of his bugs fixed in fear that people will pick him up.

Nagma10/11/2015, 9:37:06 PM1 votes

they did it for Cassiopeia she is fine now but a bit under the others mid

Sirsir10/11/2015, 9:51:06 PM1 votes

He just needs some small number buffs.

CrazedPorcupine10/11/2015, 10:18:34 PM1 votes

I'm really angry at how much "Veigar is OP" attitude there is right now. Yeah, he's squishy, he scales insanely hardcore. But you know what? He's ALWAYS been that way. So his latest Q buff may have been a tad overboard (I once got around 80 AP in under 3 minutes because of a few teamfights where I participated in all kills multiple times, and snagged a few with my Q, granting me around 14 AP (2 kills for 7 AP))

So yeah, Veigar might be a tad strong atm, but I blame it more on the fact that his Q's AP gain is a little out of hand from it's AP gain on Assist. If they hit ANYTHING it had better be his Q's AP gain on assists. (I'd like it grant half of it's value on assists. so .5,1,1.5,2,2.5 instead of the full 1/2/3/4/5 AP based on rank in Q.

Also, Veigar is unique in that his Q farm and AP gain allows him to build INCREDIBLY versitile. If I'm matched up against AD champs, guess what I build? Tear/Seraphs into Ninja Tabi and Frozen Heart. I get tons of mana, some mana regen, 20% CDR, and close to 130 Armor. Then if I need even MORE armor, then I end up building a Zhonya's. However, just from Seraph's and Frozen Heart, that grants about 150 AP. then about 200 from my Q, and that puts me at about 400 AP and plenty of survivability against the inevitable Talon/Zed/Jayce Counterpicks.

I personally Adore Veigar, and really hate seeing him in a 70% ban rate, and I'm afraid that if he get's nerfed, he'll be abandoned. I really just want his Ult to lose it's 80% opponent AP scaling, and have veigar gain a 1.2 AP ratio on his Ult. (Ekko get's a 500+1.2 AP ratio nuke in a huge AoE, that's more damage than Veigar get's against a single target that has 0 AP.)

J Eevo10/11/2015, 10:27:44 PM1 votes

He doesn't need a buff you're right, what he needs is a CHANGE, his damage is too reliable to buff it up to "good-ish" levelels so it's intentionally kept low. He'd be free to get more power if his Q was changed from point and click into something that can actually miss so then it could be buffed upto hit harder.