Hey guys, Zac missed his E, I think I'm good!

1 800 GGTOOEZ·Jul 15, 2017·49 votes·2,737 views

Nevermind, he Q'd a minion and auto'd me and pulled me in without landing a single skillshot on me. Seems legit.

59 Comments

SwiftKitten88Jul 15, 201717 votes

yeah well, who ever at riot that his Q was going to be balanced... i don't even...

i mean even on pbe the first thing i though when seeing his new ulti and Q was... "my god that looks broken as fuck"

and then all the zac mains cry" its a nerf" so riot makes them even stronger... and we have exactly what happened

SweedishGunnerJul 15, 20171 votes

Isn't he 100% P/B in both NA and EU LCS right now?

Beas7ieJul 15, 20175 votes

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Isn't he 100% P/B in both NA and EU LCS right now?

I'm in Plastic 5 and he's pretty much 100% banned by both teams down here.

XonraJul 15, 20171 votes

Yup I 100% ban him until the first days of Kayn so I didn't have people trying to main him on day one. Others were till banning him so...yeah.

GayFluffyUnicornJul 15, 20171 votes

Don't even need to look at LCS. SoloQ he is pretty much permaban and if he's open the lobby gets dodged or someone firstpicks him immediately most likely winning the game.

TotalJerkJul 15, 20177 votes

Wasn't everybody saying his Q was gonna be shit before it launched?

SwiftKitten88Jul 15, 201715 votes

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Wasn't everybody saying his Q was gonna be shit before it launched?

they are are just as stupid as the person at riot who trhough this would be a good idea..

i mean dont get me wrong... it an AMAZING concept... and its fits Zac wonderfully. and i give them props for the idea... but its not REMOTELY balanced

SpoofghoulJul 15, 20171 votes

it's about as balanced as Rengar burst on ranged basic attacks item 3031

Dani El PezgloboJul 15, 20174 votes

Main problem is him damage, he have 2 much damage and 2 much cc, choose one

General Esdeath Jul 15, 20171 votes

welcome to champ main subreddits.

Sun Wu RyuumokuJul 15, 20171 votes

hum... some amnesia on this board lmao. I was one of the few to defend his kit (by defend i was saying his kit would be strong).

Cosmic WarperJul 15, 20171 votes

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yeah well, who ever at riot that his Q was going to be balanced... i don't even...

i mean even on pbe the first thing i though when seeing his new ulti and Q was... "my god that looks broken as fuck"

and then all the zac mains cry" its a nerf" so riot makes them even stronger... and we have exactly what happened

except it was a nerf because his q was pretty undertuned on release

StarGuardianWeebJul 15, 20179 votes

See its hilarious cause like, on debut everyons like "he too weak" but they were also fucking up Qs cause its a new skill

Buff buff buff (one was a hotfix even)

but Wait! now everyone knows how to utilize the skill 100% so now hes busted

nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf

http://33.media.tumblr.com/ba4948906cf7eaf62e3cab55abf9a724/tumblr_nlp1jspmah1tdn2euo1_500.gif

RavenMagusJul 15, 20172 votes

To be fair, it's not just learning to use the Q. They also changed the ulti to make it completely busted.

StarGuardianWeebJul 15, 20173 votes

also a good point but was merely referencing the Q as OPs thread is discussing how that Q is basically a "safety net" for zacs that miss their target. That ult is busted af tho i cant believe some people thought the old one was better lol.

Sad TyrantJul 15, 20171 votes

that's why he is unbalanced, his busted ass ~~ult~~

Sun Wu RyuumokuJul 15, 20171 votes

all here was saying his new ult was trash too along the Q. they're so shameless

RavenMagusJul 15, 20171 votes

It was pretty bad at first to be honest.

But then they buffed it so that if he hits with anything else, his ult is inescapable unless you mash the Flash key (and even then, if you have more than like 5 ms latency you won't get out).

That's what really broke it.

XonraJul 15, 20173 votes

"Everyone" Yeah no.

StarGuardianWeebJul 15, 20173 votes

yes i too, like many on these here "interwebs" use terms such as "all" "we" and "everyone" despite the fact it's not literal.

Sorry that you couldnt understand that ill try and be more direct next time. a vast majority judging from all the whining threads on the forums after his rework should be there instead.

rtbf221651412Jul 15, 20171 votes

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"Everyone" Yeah no.

He said "Everyons". Get it right.

Kappa

nargnargnargJul 15, 20172 votes

It's probably because everyone was complaining that Sejuani was too op.

Dani El PezgloboJul 15, 20172 votes

He was trash till riot buff him e , making stun 1 s cd, so he can e and ult u without any kind of chance, put 0'75 stun and he ll be balance (and low damage 2)

MarshbouyJul 15, 20171 votes

Accurate.

TargonJul 15, 20173 votes

What if Zac's Q only worked on champions and jungle monsters? He'd keep most of his team fight CC while having to be more reliant on landing his E in ganks.

UnboundHadesJul 15, 20173 votes

Rip MId and top ganks

JJI744Jul 15, 20173 votes

He would still be able to Q the champion and then AA a minion for the stun. Just not Q a minion>AA champ.

The LexerJul 15, 20171 votes

Zac was a great ganker before the q change just due to jump range. I think he'll be fine

mzicioJul 15, 20171 votes

I think this is actually a good idea, as long as his Q doesn't pass through minions.

SkorchJul 15, 20172 votes

Isnt Zacs Q a skillshot though, a fast one at that, but still a skillshot that can be blocked by minions.

badoogaJul 15, 20174 votes

Yeah, but he can use the skillshot on the minion and just AA the enemy champion, giving him guaranteed CC against them.

ModAcademy KaynJul 15, 20172 votes

Can't the same be said for Zac's old ult?

Hey guys, Zac missed his E, I think I'm good

Nevermind, he ulted from point blank and knocked me up without landing a single skillshot. Seems legit

1 800 GGTOOEZJul 15, 20171 votes

Zac doesn't need to expend his ult anymore. He can do this pre-6, and can do it much more frequently.
If Zac didn't land between you and safety, he would knock you away with his ult.

AwesomeGuyDjJul 15, 20171 votes

And they also nerfed him a bit ago with a q range decrease.

MunchCrunchLunchJul 15, 20171 votes

tbh. just add a tug on his Q instead of this huge cc.

hhaavviikkJul 15, 20171 votes

''hey guys lee missed his Q we're goo-oh nvm he just used ward + W''

GayFluffyUnicornJul 15, 20173 votes

Sooo we are justifiying zacs bullshit because lee is equally bullshit? Lol.

JaxMoonStealerJul 15, 20172 votes

Who the hell was talking about Lee Sin?

aspects1Jul 15, 20171 votes

you remember that when he first came out, riot had to buff him a ton, just to make him viable. he only seems completely ridiculous right now cause hes op look at sej, if she misses her q and w, but then she and her top laner auto you, she gets a point and click stun zac's kit isnt broken, only his stats are

nargnargnargJul 15, 20171 votes

It's his utility that's broken not his damage. His damage early game is a bit on the lower side compared to other junglers, like Lee, Kha, Elise etc., but his utility is insane. He has the longest ranged non ullti gap closer in the game and his Q is legit broken because of how easy it is to hit. He can just Q a minion first to ensure the first part of the Q lands and then auto u for the second part, which you can't dodge.

aspects1Jul 16, 20171 votes

tehy even nerfed teh range on it in case you didnt know its a 250 range auto hes literally in melee range on you if might as well be an aa buff that stuns then, and the boards would still complain about it his utility is fine, thats how its meant to be. hes not meant to really be a damage threat

WolfeurJul 15, 20171 votes

Rework reveal: "This Q is just a gimmick, that won't help Zac at all…"

Mael broJul 15, 20171 votes

Zac is just a ball of stats champion

DurzakaJul 15, 20171 votes

No.

Mundo is a ball of stats champion.

Zac is NOT a ball of stats champion. He does not run at you and force a fight so that whoever has more stats wins the fight. That isnt even remotely his problem.

flyingbaklavaJul 15, 20171 votes

Just a heads up. Zac's winrate currently places him at 16th on average. That means there are 15 champions worth bitching about more. Also, the range on his Q is 200, so if he hit you with that after missing his E, he had to flash, or you had to stand still, as his E radius is roughly 200.

Don't get me wrong, I hate this rework with the passion of a 1000 raging suns, but his ultimate is the problem with his kit, not his Q.

JJI744Jul 15, 20171 votes

The next AA has 200 bonus range, for 375 total. The Q itself has 800 range. Unless you were referring to specificly Qing a minion to AA for the certain stun. In which case, back to 375 range.