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Zyra has pushed my buttons for a long time

Jefftiffy··1 votes·808 views

Why is all her damage loaded into her plants? Seriously the rest of her kit really has no mana costs. And her plants take 0 skill to use and if you get hit by like 2 for about 1s you lose about 200 hp and the rest of her kit does decent damage too.

I understand that she takes some kind of skill, but the fact that she can spam in lane and not give fucks because her plants carry her so hard even without items is ridiculous mostly because of the AI on them. They will spawn and instantly target champs that are behind a minion wave without the champ being hit by anything previously. Maybe remove the plants ability to proc thunderlords (so she actually has to his her abilities to use it well) and fix the AI and up her mana costs slightly?

I mean the strength of Zyra is supposed to be her late game and her ult, but right now she literally doesn't fall off and makes every other zoning support feel completely invalidated because there is 0 way to out trade a Zyra who just double seeds and E's you because of its range and the fact that the plants soak skill shots and only take 1 damage which I feel is something that needs to be removed on a spam kit (1 damage for almost everything in the game is kind of BS).

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Ultra Rapid Fyre4 votes

read the patch notes please. They are making her plants no longer auto target champs unless she lands a SPELL of her OWN on them making this post sort of irrelivant

Jefftiffy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ultra Rapid Fyre,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=INsk3Ea9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-02-05T18:35:47.209+0000)

read the patch notes please. They are making her plants no longer auto target champs unless she lands a SPELL of her OWN on them making this post sort of irrelivant

That doesn't fix the problem though. Her kit counters any kind of poke support but she is also a zoning support. Why? Because her plants to 1 damage no matter what hits them unless it does damage at 2 different times. 2k AP Veigar would still only do 1 damage to her plants no matter what. Its kind of broken.

Ultra Rapid Fyre2 votes

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That doesn't fix the problem though. Her kit counters any kind of poke support but she is also a zoning support. Why? Because her plants to 1 damage no matter what hits them unless it does damage at 2 different times. 2k AP Veigar would still only do 1 damage to her plants no matter what. Its kind of broken.

currently even AOE works againt her plants. A support MF can kill her plants with ONE use of her E ability. Again champions are balanced around pro play and draft pick styles so if you are in blind your argument really holds no ground, and if you arent properly counter picking than thats on you. Zyra has MANY counters bot lane

Jefftiffy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ultra Rapid Fyre,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=INsk3Ea9,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-05T18:42:01.743+0000)

currently even AOE works againt her plants. A support MF can kill her plants with ONE use of her E ability. Again champions are balanced around pro play and draft pick styles so if you are in blind your argument really holds no ground, and if you arent properly counter picking than thats on you. Zyra has MANY counters bot lane

Oh so you mean using spells to kill a temporary plant for 5g that shes just going to summon again in 5s. That pro play logic from a level 29 account. And if they are't on a 3rd party site and you have no link then you have no source and your argument is invalid.

Ultra Rapid Fyre2 votes

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Oh so you mean using spells to kill a temporary plant for 5g that shes just going to summon again in 5s. That pro play logic from a level 29 account. And if they are't on a 3rd party site and you have no link then you have no source and your argument is invalid.

lol youre toxic. poor guy thinks a level 29 account is a main hahahahahahahahahaha

Jefftiffy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ultra Rapid Fyre,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=INsk3Ea9,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-05T20:01:55.883+0000)

lol youre toxic. poor guy thinks a level 29 account is a main hahahahahahahahahaha

So If i start posting on a level 1 account that makes me good? Post on your main then talk shit. People who post on an alt have literally 0 balls because they are afraid to show that either they were banned or that they are actually not as good as they want everyone to think they are.'

Considering how you don't seem to know how to use terms. I'd say no you are the toxic one. Coming into a thread to start a fight. It's no wonder you are stuck with a level 29 account your last one got banned either in game or on the forums.

Ultra Rapid Fyre1 votes

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Jefftiffy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ultra Rapid Fyre,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=INsk3Ea9,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-05T22:35:13.662+0000)

Except the people like you are the reason the game is in such bad state. No one wants to play when someone with years of experience is going to shit on them when they are still learning it. I remember when you could actually see some pretty amazing stuff at low ranks (as in pretty funny bad things that were actually caused by multiple really bad players fighting). And the fact that you have to hide behind an alt is kind of sad.

Unlike you I have nothing to hide. So you want to continue to be a troll and offer nothing while giving no sources go ahead. You have 0 influence on me until you can back something up because as it stands right now you are essentially a level 29 with no merit. Anyone can create an account level it to 29 and say they are a challenger/diamond/plat player and just link some random guy.

You ever thought that maybe posting on your main would give you more merit? If I saw even a division of gold or higher I would have some kind of merit as you at least have the understanding of the game. But as it is right now you offer nothing. Hell even silver would give you some kind of merit as you would be an average player.

So basically your argument right now is, I am posting on an alternate and I my argument does not have a source. Might as well read wikipedia back in the 2000s when nobody proofread or fact checked half the things on it.

And the way you talk is toxic so don't you have the audacity to call me toxic when you can't even form an argument. And if you want to talk about downvotes. I have come to terms with the fact that most people downvote over upvote on the forums. It is given. It takes some really agreeable shit to have people upvote you.

Ultra Rapid Fyre1 votes

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Except the people like you are the reason the game is in such bad state. No one wants to play when someone with years of experience is going to shit on them when they are still learning it. I remember when you could actually see some pretty amazing stuff at low ranks (as in pretty funny bad things that were actually caused by multiple really bad players fighting). And the fact that you have to hide behind an alt is kind of sad.

Unlike you I have nothing to hide. So you want to continue to be a troll and offer nothing while giving no sources go ahead. You have 0 influence on me until you can back something up because as it stands right now you are essentially a level 29 with no merit. Anyone can create an account level it to 29 and say they are a challenger/diamond/plat player and just link some random guy.

You ever thought that maybe posting on your main would give you more merit? If I saw even a division of gold or higher I would have some kind of merit as you at least have the understanding of the game. But as it is right now you offer nothing. Hell even silver would give you some kind of merit as you would be an average player.

So basically your argument right now is, I am posting on an alternate and I my argument does not have a source. Might as well read wikipedia back in the 2000s when nobody proofread or fact checked half the things on it.

And the way you talk is toxic so don't you have the audacity to call me toxic when you can't even form an argument.

TL:DR. funny you actually reported the last post after raging out haha

Jefftiffy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ultra Rapid Fyre,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=INsk3Ea9,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-06T04:03:36.118+0000)

TL:DR. funny you actually reported the last post after raging out haha

Because typing a well thought out argument is raging now is it? If you crave that much attention and are the desperate in life for attention I will give it to you because apparently you don't give enough and I would feel bad if you committed suicide or some shit you regret later on because I care about other people. If you want to be a douche for no reason other than the internet is between you and me go ahead, show how shitty of a person you are. I will continue to at the very least give you the chance to redeem yourself.

Give me a source. Give me something to prove you are right because as it is right now I can only take anything you say at face value and you are digging yourself into the hole where I won't trust you period because you evade anything I ask. How about you show some maturity and give me a reason to believe you. Show that you are grown up enough to actually support your argument. This game is rated teen show me that you are at the very least intelligent enough to understand that nothing has merit without facts to back it up.

Ultra Rapid Fyre1 votes

{quoted}

Because typing a well thought out argument is raging now is it? If you crave that much attention and are the desperate in life for attention I will give it to you because apparently you don't give enough and I would feel bad if you committed suicide or some shit you regret later on because I care about other people. If you want to be a douche for no reason other than the internet is between you and me go ahead, show how shitty of a person you are. I will continue to at the very least give you the chance to redeem yourself.

Give me a source. Give me something to prove you are right because as it is right now I can only take anything you say at face value and you are digging yourself into the hole where I won't trust you period because you evade anything I ask. How about you show some maturity and give me a reason to believe you. Show that you are grown up enough to actually support your argument. This game is rated teen show me that you are at the very least intelligent enough to understand that nothing has merit without facts to back it up.

its so funny that you downvoted the post you quoted lol. please stop raging, we are here to act like adults, not children

Jefftiffy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ultra Rapid Fyre,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=INsk3Ea9,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-06T04:48:39.505+0000)

its so funny that you downvoted the post you quoted lol. please stop raging, we are here to act like adults, not children

Yet you aren't. How ironic.

Oleandervine2 votes

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That doesn't fix the problem though. Her kit counters any kind of poke support but she is also a zoning support. Why? Because her plants to 1 damage no matter what hits them unless it does damage at 2 different times. 2k AP Veigar would still only do 1 damage to her plants no matter what. Its kind of broken.

Zyra was designed as an anti engage mage, it stands to reason that poke supports have difficulty with her. Additionally, her plants last a few seconds at most - you have to play accordingly in order to not get hammered by her, just like any other champion who can zone very well. Don't just blindly walk into a bush if she's nearby, and don't stand near her buds unless you can step on them before she fires off a spell. You have to play carefully against her, so don't expect to go ham and still come out on top.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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Zyra was designed as an anti engage mage, it stands to reason that poke supports have difficulty with her. Additionally, her plants last a few seconds at most - you have to play accordingly in order to not get hammered by her, just like any other champion who can zone very well. Don't just blindly walk into a bush if she's nearby, and don't stand near her buds unless you can step on them before she fires off a spell. You have to play carefully against her, so don't expect to go ham and still come out on top.

She was designed as anti engage. Which means a zoning mage. The way her kit works right now functions as a zoning mage with insane poke.

How is supposed to work. Zoning < Poke < Engage. Zyra dips into all 3 and you can see where the problem lies. She steps out of zoning and becomes a poke mage. She can also function as an engage as well. Now let's compare this to Morgana who only really has poke and engage, a healthier combination because she only counters poke supports but in single target damage. And you can see where the problem lies. Then theres Janna who almost exclusively stays in the zoning area and has hard counter to engages. The point is that Zyras kit is much more flexible than the others on top of having a higher damage output in an AoE and a complete hard counter to engages.

Zielmann1 votes

She wasn't changed in the most recent patch.

I know you mean on surrender@20, but you shouldn't run around expecting people to go out of their way to a 3rd-party site just to see the tentative changelist from the PBE. You could just mention the upcoming change instead.

Ultra Rapid Fyre1 votes

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She wasn't changed in the most recent patch.

I know you mean on surrender@20, but you shouldn't run around expecting people to go out of their way to a 3rd-party site just to see the tentative changelist from the PBE. You could just mention the upcoming change instead.

they arent on a 3rd party site

Zielmann1 votes

Care to tell me where this change is in the most recent patch notes then? Cause I don't see it anywhere.

Riot doesn't go out and publicly post patch notes for all the changes they make on the PBE. And this change is currently only on the PBE.

PrinceOfStorms2 votes

Maybe the reason why Zyra's not getting really any changes is because, get this... She's fine?

Zielmann1 votes

She does have some tentative changes on the PBE right now. Like this guy said, they're going to make it so zyra can't just drop two plants behind the creep wave and completely zone off her lane opponent. She'll have to actually hit them with a spell, too. They've also upped the mana cost on her Q slightly so it won't be so easy for her to keep spamming that. They're good changes, IMO. It means a skilled support Zyra can still be a terror, but the FOTM Zyras will likely see their effectiveness drop.

Since the changes are still on the PBE, I would expect we'll see them come in the 7.3 patch notes when those get posted later this week.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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Maybe the reason why Zyra's not getting really any changes is because, get this... She's fine?

Except Riot obviously has if they are touching her mana costs on her Q and there may or may not be a change to plant AI to make them worse. There have been no sources given for this change and I have yet to see it documented anywhere.

Also some changes aren't done after its been a problem for a long time. So saying nothing is being because it's not a problem is a poor argument.

Jefftiffy1 votes

Also I tryed looking on surrender@20. The only change I can see to Zyra was a nerf to her mana cost on Q from 60 to 70 mana. No other changes are mentioned.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

I checked just the other day and they are changing her plants AI, which I think is a pretty stupid change but whatever.

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