Riot - Your World's Pass Survey - I want to reiterate: The grind was awful.

Oleandervine··75 votes·16,308 views

So I got a survey last night asking if I bought the World's Pass, which I did. Then it asked what I disliked about the World's Pass/Event, and I said it was the grind. It was an insufferable grind to get to the Kai'Sa skin, complicated by the fact that a social holiday (Halloween) fell during the event and a general life with a job and friends and significant other meant that I could not sit at my computer and grind League 24/7 for the peanuts that the pass gave me per game. What more, the nature of the grind and sheer cost of the Kai'Sa skin meant that I had to give up a shit ton of other content from the event in order to have enough to purchase the Kai'Sa skin, which is not at all appealing when I have purchased the pass to give me supposedly unlimited access to tokens.

I just hope that all of you who bought the pass have told them the same things - that the grind was horrible. I want them to learn that lesson, so they don't repeat it coming up with the Snowdown Event and the Prestige KDA Akali skin. This is especially important because the winter holidays mean that most people will be traveling and spending time at their family's houses, far from their computers where they can grind tokens.

So please, Riot, don't make a mess of the Snowdown event. Don't make it another insufferable grind fest. Consider the holidays, consider people who have lives that require them to spend time not in the game. And everyone, make your voice heard if you get the survey and let them know not to give us another grind.

44 Comments

Rester36 votes

The grind was horrible, I actually did want to end my own existence.

Ben SwoIo24 votes

There wasn't even a Halloween event......just some random cauldrons around the map. This year blew balls.

Oleandervine11 votes

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There wasn't even a Halloween event......just some random cauldrons around the map. This year blew balls.

I agree, I liked the Teemoing in the past, though last year's Deathsworn stuff was an equal letdown.

DrCyanide7 votes

I thought Deathsworn was great in comparison to the year they released the Slayer skins 5 days after Halloween.

SangreDeNoche11 votes

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There wasn't even a Halloween event......just some random cauldrons around the map. This year blew balls.

They've stop giving a hoot about halloween, and by extension the Harrowing, for a few years now.

Jhins Girlfriend3 votes

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There wasn't even a Halloween event......just some random cauldrons around the map. This year blew balls.

It feels like they just did the halloween stuff out of obligation. They were obviously putting way more effort into KDA.

Lrrr Omicronian4 votes

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It feels like they just did the halloween stuff out of obligation. They were obviously putting way more effort into KDA.

Last year they offerred Bloodmoon for Halloween, as I recall. But I don't think that it was very popular as a game mode in the end, so they did just skip it this year.

Vartius20 votes

Well, the best way to tell riot NOT to do that again is to not buy the event pass. That being said, I do understand that you wanted the skin, so I guess just giving up on it wasn't an option.

Oleandervine13 votes

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Well, the best way to tell riot NOT to do that again is not to buy the event pass. That being said, I do understand that you wanted the skin, so I guess just giving up on it wasn't an option.

Not buying the pass isn't really related here. The survey is getting feedback about the pass itself, how it worked, how it didn't, and it's given to those who bought it. So those who didn't buy it aren't really able to give Riot the feedback about the pass to improve them in the future.

Vartius9 votes

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Not buying the pass isn't really related here. The survey is getting feedback about the pass itself, how it worked, how it didn't, and it's given to those who bought it. So those who didn't buy it aren't really able to give Riot the feedback about the pass to improve them in the future.

Well, the thing is: if no one buys the pass, Riot doesn't get the money, Riot understands that it wasn't liked. If you didn't like the pass, but bought it anyway that only tells them they can repeat that: they can make an event grindy again, because despite the grind, people still buy it.

Oleandervine10 votes

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Well, the thing is: if no one buys the pass, Riot doesn't get the money, Riot understands that it wasn't liked. If you didn't like the pass, but bought it anyway that only tells them they can repeat that: they can make an event grindy again, because despite the grind, people still buy it.

But not purchasing it is neither here nor there. This post isn't about whether or not to purchase the pass. It's about Riot's survey on how to improve it for the future.

Vartius5 votes

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But not purchasing it is neither here nor there. This post isn't about whether or not to purchase the pass. It's about Riot's survey on how to improve it for the future.

What I meant was: they don't care about improving it, as long as you buy it. The post is correct. The post is good. I upvoted it, because I agree with it. I just also note that just the fact that people bought it is the opposite singal for riot.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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What I meant was: they don't care about improving it, as long as you buy it. The post is correct. The post is good. I upvoted it, because I agree with it. I just also note that just the fact that people bought it is the opposite singal for riot.

You are right nobody should buy anything so that riot just says "well they are not interested in these so let's never do it again" with every single thing they do until they just don't make anything anymore. That is what you want right? Not actually giving them feedback or anything on how to improve just the classic "don't buy it" that doesn't really help anyone at all

Vartius2 votes

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You are right nobody should buy anything so that riot just says "well they are not interested in these so let's never do it again" with every single thing they do until they just don't make anything anymore. That is what you want right? Not actually giving them feedback or anything on how to improve just the classic "don't buy it" that doesn't really help anyone at all

Never did I say that feedback isn't welcome. Feedback is great.
However buying something supports it.

Even if you got a survey and answered that it was too grindy after buying the world's pass it basically meant: It's grindy enough to force people who wanted the skin to buy it, but not grindy to the point where people are too pissed to buy it.

If you don't support something - don't give it your money.

Again. I understand. Some people really wanted the skin or something. It's very understandable.

And who said that you shouldn't buy anything? I think that skin prices are at the right place, so I would buy them if they released one I liked. Hextech prices are also fine.

You just shouldn't buy the stuff that you feel is not worth supporting.

ZephyrDrake3 votes

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Never did I say that feedback isn't welcome. Feedback is great.
However buying something supports it.

Even if you got a survey and answered that it was too grindy after buying the world's pass it basically meant: It's grindy enough to force people who wanted the skin to buy it, but not grindy to the point where people are too pissed to buy it.

If you don't support something - don't give it your money.

Again. I understand. Some people really wanted the skin or something. It's very understandable.

And who said that you shouldn't buy anything? I think that skin prices are at the right place, so I would buy them if they released one I liked. Hextech prices are also fine.

You just shouldn't buy the stuff that you feel is not worth supporting.

How are you going to give feedback over something you didn't purchased? When they are specifically asking feedback for that exact thing and you only get the survey when you buy the thing? Tell me what good is that type of feedback?

Lrrr Omicronian4 votes

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Well, the thing is: if no one buys the pass, Riot doesn't get the money, Riot understands that it wasn't liked. If you didn't like the pass, but bought it anyway that only tells them they can repeat that: they can make an event grindy again, because despite the grind, people still buy it.

Don't assume. That may not be the conclusion that they will draw.

They devalued mission rewards in general, and token values, compared to what was presented in all of the year's previous events. Partly, I suppose, to stretch it out over the 6 weeks. This game may simply not offer enough cosmetic content to satisfy.

Full Brain2 votes

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Not buying the pass isn't really related here. The survey is getting feedback about the pass itself, how it worked, how it didn't, and it's given to those who bought it. So those who didn't buy it aren't really able to give Riot the feedback about the pass to improve them in the future.

Not really since the reason I and many others didn't buy the pass is because we did the math beforehand and realized what a horrid grind it was just to get that one skin and nothing else from the event thus making it a terrible deal. It was basically paying full price for the skin and then working close to a full time job for two month to get access to it. It would have been more cost effective to just work a real job and use some of the money you make to buy enough currency from lootbox bundles than paying with that many hours of your life.

Done253 votes

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Well, the best way to tell riot NOT to do that again is to not buy the event pass. That being said, I do understand that you wanted the skin, so I guess just giving up on it wasn't an option.

I bought the pass at the end just so I could afford stuff. QuQ Makes me regret not getting it right away.

Z3Sleeper2 votes

Nah cuz the pass had some insanely nice perks. I wouldn't skip on it in protest. Thus, feedback is the next best thing.

underscores2225 votes

I did the math when the event was announced to decide if I should spend the money for the pass to get the Kaisa skin. Assuming you did all the missions (normal and pass) you would still have to play about 3-5 games per day for the entire event to get enough tokens to get the skin (I assumed an average of "B" grades since that's supposedly the average grade) Now, I can see 5 games on a weekend day. But 5 games on a workday? There's no way I would be able to do that consistently for 5 weeks. It was a bummer too, cause I did want the skin, but paying a bunch of money for a chance to earn it that required me to put all my spare time into it for the entire event was a bit too much to ask for.

TwitchInMyPants4 votes

I'm pretty sure Riot intentionally designed that grind so you'd have opportunity cost and want to spend money to get tokens for more content

We're talking about the same Riot Games that regularly locks content in bundles to squeeze out more dollars and has literally sold missions for you to grind multiple times

As long as it wasn't frustrating enough to drive people away from buying it they're going to repeat this behavior

Lrrr Omicronian4 votes

I don't think that we will see a repeat, until next Worlds'. For some reason, Worlds' was designed to be a lot "grindier" than all of the other events and mission sets. It wasn't just the niggling token rewards and character - it extended to missions being restricted to PVP, and specific missions only to 5v5 PVP. On the other hand... it went on for 6 weeks. They wanted... some kind of numeric result... for the end of the year... clearly...

It's ironic, because this was the one event that we paid for. They should have been more generous. Why stick it to your paying customers? Riot isn't gracious.

Lrrr Omicronian4 votes

In retrospect, I'm grateful for all of the matches that I was induced to play, before they further hurt the game with all the nonsense of pre-season.

Talh4 votes

+1,000,000 to this. I bought the Pass and deeply regret it. I could not play enough to get the Kai'Sa skin, and ended up not even being able to get all the "other content" you speak of. Sure, I had about 1,600 at the end of it, but it still wasn't enough to get it all.

I also have work and social life and can't play 24/7. I did easily play 20-30 hrs per week though, which is quite excessive.

Meritas2 votes

Yeah, I don't know who came up with the idea of paying for the chance to grind out some stuff. Like, I'd usually just straight buy something of confirmed value.

Spank the Fox2 votes

There were other things to obtain besides Kai’Sa though, this argument doesn’t make much sense.

The point of the grind is to inflate a skin’s arbitrary value, which is why they didn’t have it so you could “outright buy it”

Meritas2 votes

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There were other things to obtain besides Kai’Sa though, this argument doesn’t make much sense.

The point of the grind is to inflate a skin’s arbitrary value, which is why they didn’t have it so you could “outright buy it”

I never said that. I just can't see the point in general. It's cool to do quests for exclusive rewards, but nothing that would require too much work. It should be something enhancing your experience in League, not detracting from it.

Percentages2 votes

Didn't buy it, never will. You suckers are tempting them to keep doing the same bullshit over and over and it IS NOT COOL! Don't support gimmicky BS like these events.

Sett a trap2 votes

it was insane

Warlord Rhinark2 votes

I bought the Worlds Pass only in the hopes that I would get a Gemstone.

Grinded for days just to get enough Tokens for Orbs (didn't really care too much about the Kai'sa skin), even though I didn't even want to play League and would rather play something else, if I skipped out at least once, I lose out on 15 Worlds Tokens from the daily mission.

15-20 Orbs later, not a single Gemstone to be found.

I genuinely feel scammed.

Lrrr Omicronian4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=INAgqmxA,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-11-22T07:02:20.744+0000)

I bought the Worlds Pass only in the hopes that I would get a Gemstone.

Grinded for days just to get enough Tokens for Orbs (didn't really care too much about the Kai'sa skin), even though I didn't even want to play League and would rather play something else, if I skipped out at least once, I lose out on 15 Worlds Tokens from the daily mission.

15-20 Orbs later, not a single Gemstone to be found.

I genuinely feel scammed.

You just had bad luck. I found gemstones in the Orbs that came with the pass. With all of the tokens that you spent on Orbs... you could have generated enough BE to buy a few gemstones outright in the BE Emporium now...

Warlord Rhinark3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lrrr Omicronian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=INAgqmxA,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-11-26T15:55:45.433+0000)

You just had bad luck. I found gemstones in the Orbs that came with the pass. With all of the tokens that you spent on Orbs... you could have generated enough BE to buy a few gemstones outright in the BE Emporium now...

You don't get BE from the Orbs.

But I probably would have enough if I just blew all the tokens on flat BE.

Lrrr Omicronian4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=INAgqmxA,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2018-11-26T15:58:11.161+0000)

You don't get BE from the Orbs.

But I probably would have enough if I just blew all the tokens on flat BE.

That's what I meant. Those Random Champion Shards.

Lrrr Omicronian4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=INAgqmxA,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-11-22T07:02:20.744+0000)

I bought the Worlds Pass only in the hopes that I would get a Gemstone.

Grinded for days just to get enough Tokens for Orbs (didn't really care too much about the Kai'sa skin), even though I didn't even want to play League and would rather play something else, if I skipped out at least once, I lose out on 15 Worlds Tokens from the daily mission.

15-20 Orbs later, not a single Gemstone to be found.

I genuinely feel scammed.

If it's any consolation, consider that Orange Essence seems to be worth approximately the same as RP. The Orange Essence or equivalent generated from 20 Orbs... I guess that you got your moneys' worth...

Lrrr Omicronian4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=INAgqmxA,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-11-22T07:02:20.744+0000)

I bought the Worlds Pass only in the hopes that I would get a Gemstone.

Grinded for days just to get enough Tokens for Orbs (didn't really care too much about the Kai'sa skin), even though I didn't even want to play League and would rather play something else, if I skipped out at least once, I lose out on 15 Worlds Tokens from the daily mission.

15-20 Orbs later, not a single Gemstone to be found.

I genuinely feel scammed.

It only took 7m (or so) to get the 15 tokens from FWotD.

Spindan2 votes

tbh the whole world pass thingy was kind of stupid. Spending money in the game should give me direct access to content. Grinding should be for people who don't spend anything at all.

Not buying any more of these stupid event tickets.

Bisaknosp2 votes

well i got everything i wanted but the grind was disgusting, and in the end it wasnt even worth it xd, unsure if i ever do this again, maybe for prestige ahri (if it comes out) but if we have to play 50 times a day for weeks (exaggerating) to get a recoloured 'rare' skin then hell no not again

Denni2 votes

The aim of the reward was for it to be exclusive. The reward for playing a lot is something that a very small group of people will own. Furthermore, the grind is not too bad if you just play and enjoy the game.

Imgartn1 votes

What is worse - I didn't know the cost and spent some tickets on ward and stuff. Later to understand that there is no wsy I will get 2500 now.

Mcsquzzy1 votes

paying money is meant to skip the grind, mobile games mastered this mechanic years ago.

Gınja1 votes

I hardly participated. I don't really care much about completing missions and collecting tokens. To me that isn't an event. They should bring back some fun game modes (But please not Poro King, boring as heck) T_T

Great Master Yi1 votes

I didn't worry about grinding as much since I play the game normally and still got well over 700 in my stashed. Did I pay for the pass? No. Why? I didn't need the chromas since I didn't own any of the Championship skins. It's whatever to me but I understand that for the people that grind for the tokens in their stash was exhausting. Riot should fix that so that even when you're not paying for the pass you'll still get rewarded. I only got like 200-220 tokens in my loot at the time the events were finally finished, which was insane, since it took well over a month and a half to get it. I got an orb, and got a skin for a champ I didn't play. Yikes.

Just make it easier for us Riot, hard missions and forcing us to finish them while we're not enjoying the game isn't fun at all. It's what making people walk away in the first place.MasterYi item 3153

Modl Ryden l1 votes

It wasn't very fulfilling. Like at all. All for the sake of getting the Prestige skin. If I wanted K/DA Kai'Sa prestige then it was no different than just shelling out the $10 dollars it ought to have cost or the 750 RP of it being a chroma/remodel like the PJ Guardians.

But even if it did cost 750 RP in tandem with the existing K/DA skin I still wouldn't have bought it.

The only reason anyone ever bought the pass was to get access to K/DA Kai'Sa Prestige. Whatever leftover tokens you had was simply for the limited accessory fluff and blue essence.

OMG. And the golden chromas. Fuck outta here with that. Last year was fine because it was just Championship Ashe and so all the accessories for Championship Ashe were available through tokens. This year it was more of "spend more money and you can get more cool stuff!" and there was a want for those cool things. But not enough of a want to have to buy ALL the tokens for them. I ain't got time for that.

ProffessorAutism1 votes

You say literally anything pass i say cash grab

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