Do something about zed

AR URF·Dec 10, 2017·44 votes·2,854 views

It's really frustrating to see zeds power spike starting at

I'm not talking out my ass either. I make it my goal to camp zeds if I'm jungler.

51 Comments

mosaickleDec 10, 201724 votes

Zed's main issue isn't even that, it's the fact that when he presses R, he's got a 99% chance of getting a kill.

Crede777Dec 10, 201718 votes

Zed's main issue is that he is strong early with his Q like, ability to last hit under tower, and his safety from ganks with W.

Mid game, Zed is arguably the most dangerous because he hits his lethality power spike.

Late game maybe he is at his weakest if opponents prioritize armor and the ADC has a GA, but even then due to the passive AD he gets from killing opponents he is still extremely dangerous.

Zed geniusDec 10, 20172 votes

technically he gets about 20 ad from his ultimate passive but ya know

mosaickleDec 10, 20173 votes

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technically he gets about 20 ad from his ultimate passive but ya know

20AD? All other Zeds I've seen get at least 50 more

Zed geniusDec 10, 20177 votes

only if they ult a full build jhin who naturally gets around 700-800 ad

mosaickleDec 10, 20174 votes

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only if they ult a full build jhin who naturally gets around 700-800 ad

Boy aren't you living up to your username... You get 5+15% of enemy total AD, a 750AD (between 700 and 800) would give 5+750x0.15 which is 117.5AD

Zed geniusDec 10, 20173 votes

it's close enough, you said 50 more, which equals 70 in total and it's like 47 less than it actually is, but not in every game do they have a full build jhin which you can kill

mosaickleDec 10, 20172 votes

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it's close enough, you said 50 more, which equals 70 in total and it's like 47 less than it actually is

im sry wut...i feel like im missing out on something but i can't tell what...

MorganFreemanBotDec 10, 20178 votes

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20AD? All other Zeds I've seen get at least 50 more

50 is pretty difficult to get. You need to assassinate an absolute full build ADC / some sort of bruiser with a steroid active, in order to get that much.

Generally speaking most games close out with about 30-35 AD, and if they push 5-10 minutes longer than normal it's common to see 45ish.

MarshbouyDec 10, 201715 votes

Using your own math, people are running around with 300+ AD

Yeah I can see that happening in the way late game, but not until the enemy ADC has at least 4-5 items.

mosaickleDec 10, 20171 votes

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Using your own math, people are running around with 300+ AD

Yeah I can see that happening in the way late game, but not until the enemy ADC has at least 4-5 items.

On average champions get like, around like uhh, 120 or so AD ish, so 180 more AD isn't too uncommon

The OasisDec 11, 20171 votes

Looks like it was too much to expect people to comprehend sarcasm.

Chembaron YamadaDec 11, 20171 votes

This stuff is why you should never ever pick Jhin if the enemy has Zed .

Crede777Dec 10, 20172 votes

I usually see more I think.

That said, he doesn't fall of nearly as hard as someone like Talon.

I'd just like to see a more defined area of weakness.

AmazoXDec 10, 20173 votes

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I usually see more I think.

That said, he doesn't fall of nearly as hard as someone like Talon.

I'd just like to see a more defined area of weakness.

item 2420 item 3157

AmazoXDec 10, 20171 votes

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Zed's main issue is that he is strong early with his Q like, ability to last hit under tower, and his safety from ganks with W.

Mid game, Zed is arguably the most dangerous because he hits his lethality power spike.

Late game maybe he is at his weakest if opponents prioritize armor and the ADC has a GA, but even then due to the passive AD he gets from killing opponents he is still extremely dangerous.

So much BS attached to this comment that isn't taking things into more depth.

AmazoXDec 10, 20178 votes

Stop watch? Zhonyas?

JofeyyDec 10, 20172 votes

dont know why people downvoted you... They just came here to cry.

Upvoted you.

DisembarkDec 11, 20173 votes

Only reason Zed is playable right now is because lethality is busted.

Stopwatch completely fucks him. “But it’s a 1 time use”. Real talk though, Zed NEEDs that first level 6 kill to snowball - which gets denied.

Also supports like Alistar/Leona being heavily makes his life so hard.

AirKingNeoDec 10, 20174 votes

You have an issue that Zed is viable after 4 months.

Yeah, ok.

Zed geniusDec 10, 20173 votes

Lethality items will give a little less lethality from next patch if it goes through

wildfox99Dec 10, 20172 votes

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Lethality items will give a little less lethality from next patch if it goes through

oh,i didn't notice they reverted this buff,thanks for the info [sg-ezreal]

GrReaper96Dec 10, 20172 votes

Not much though. For me as long as item 3147 remains so easy to proc it will always be a problem

ÈvilMortyDec 10, 20173 votes

I see it as both zeds kit being cancer to play against and broken items like item 3147 item 3155 Even if you win lane against a zed, as soon as he gets duskblade, you lost lane, do not pass go do not collect 200.

wildfox99Dec 10, 20172 votes

with the new electrocute he can oneshoot a squishy with W E Q AA summoner 14 (without R) too early

as mid main,i'm used to win/being even with zeds as i know how to counter his kit,but now it's a permabann for me as i hate how he can kill you with 1 base rotation before you can get your core items,zhonya can dodge his ult but it doesn't matter if he doesn't need it (plus you stay still for a while,so he can get closer and E AA you),it can be used just as gap closer and you are dead

but i don't think zed needs nerf,his kit is ok,it's just electrocute dealing too much damage AND lethality items that got buffed too much they needed to make more lethality items,not to overbuff the ones that already exist,so they don't get this insane powerspike with their first/second item and then falling so hard but they would have much more choise (actually there are only 3 lethality items) and their powerspike would be easier to balance

every AD that build item 3134 / item 3147 can do it,zed is just more frustrating due his gap closers (W R) and because if you are an AP he can OS you before you can get any defensive item, needs 750g for upgrade (zed start with item 1036 ),and when he get it you'd need a full zhonya for not to being killed,if you get item 2419 it can safe you once by his ult,but as i said a base rotation + summoner 14 is enought so you are dead anyway,if you get item 3191 (1200g,so only if you both backed at 1200+g,unless you can't even get this item becuse zed will get his item 450g before) you won't be able to block his ult,you are dead anyway

sure he's balanced because he falls so hard in late mid game/lategame,but laning vs a oneshooting machine (like every assassin actually is AD) and playing the first 25 minutes hugging your tower and hoping you wont get dived by enemy jungler while you see him (> ZED <) destroying the other lanes is so tilting

Zed geniusDec 10, 20178 votes

and playing the first 20 minutes hugging your tower and hoping you wont get dived by enemy jungler is so tilting

20 minutes is basically a whole game length in this meta so I can see the frustration

wildfox99Dec 10, 20171 votes

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20 minutes is basically a whole game length in this meta so I can see the frustration

mb,now maybe it's a bit more clear

if you didn't get it,ZED is the one who,after the 750g,feels like he can OS everything and the only counterplay (if he's decent) is hugging your tower or calling your jungler

for not to mention his damage when he gets the item 3147 ,you should know he can kill someone with a base rotation at this point (1 item),is it fair?

hhaavviikkDec 10, 20172 votes

also sucks zhonya cooldown is way longer than zed's ult cd and it has a convenient escape.

he ults you under tower, you zhonya and he just blinks back to safety

buPPDrmXEODec 10, 20176 votes

Yeah after you buy Zhonyas and they have a Zed, the enemy team should instantly get a DEFEAT screen

I'm bronze 5 btw

hhaavviikkDec 10, 20172 votes

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Yeah after you buy Zhonyas and they have a Zed, the enemy team should instantly get a DEFEAT screen

I'm bronze 5 btw

I can tell you're bronze 5, no need to say in the post

hoyohaiDec 11, 20171 votes

Other than checking his profile, how in the world do you know?

DarkRoosterDec 10, 20172 votes

Zed topic... i been hating on his mana less endless life stealing sustain where he can poke half life off enemies, shadow to fucking places all the time and his R is successful fucking dodge shit while one shooting you. Than a little bit later successfully dealing 4000 damage to a FOKING TANK like its nothing. If everything about him would be legit, fact that he has energy instead of mana really pisses me off. If you are not brain dead you can figure out how to 100% win the lane either by kills or by the fact that you can stay in lane as long as you want to gaining considerable huge advantage from people who need to base for mana, health, items, or just roam to anywhere you want, its not like anything is standing in good Zed players way.

For last 5 years if i ever get to ban something, ITS ZED and always will be zed for me. I know he might not be 100% winner but sure is going to piss me off whatever lane i am playing.

BattalionDec 11, 20172 votes

He, like all Assassins, are based on their rotation. The moment he goes through that rotation, jump on him.

Zed: Omae wa mou shindeiru ADC: Nani?! splat Zed: LEGENDS NEVER DIIIEEEEeee Tanks then jump on his Ult/W shadow Zed: This is madness! APC: Madness? THIS..IS.. FRELJORD! Zed: splat

PokladnicaZlaDec 10, 20171 votes

They're reverting the lethality item into their state prior to the preseason.Hope it helps.

DontTouchMyBallDec 10, 20171 votes

I been banning him every once in a while since he's been popular lately and often gets very fed. Same for kha6. The champ isn't the problem, it's duskblade, once its completed it makes any Zero a Hero.

Btwn: get the stopwatch rune, turn it into a GA or a Zhonyas if you're an AP User.

Funny is that yesterday, on my other account, I went up against an Ashe with a Zed support with a name of "Bot Killer" or something like that. I asked my adc, also an Ashe, to be as save as possible but she died to him early sadly. Then we both played really really safe after that, we capitalized of his mistakes and managed to win while also also having fed Akali on their team

I was an Orianna support, name of the account: SupportOrianna

SwarovskoDec 10, 20171 votes

Imo his problem is electrocute. He and many other assassins proc it way too easily and it does a shit ton of damage mid-late game.

WulphOfLegendsDec 10, 20171 votes

Zed really isnt the biggest problem rn. Kat, Talon, Fizz, Heimer and a couple others are easily capable of 1 shotting without any purchased items pre 6. Ontop of that, the some of the most overpowered midlane champions (according to champion.gg) are Morgana, Zilean, Heimer, Malzahar, Vladamir- all of which do extremely well vs zed.

And with ADC's literally able to 3 shot zed after completing 2 items, he needs to strength to stay relevant. Like literally even tanks such as malphite/rammus/maokai are capable of taking 70% of an adcs hp with 1 rotation.

AR URFDec 11, 20171 votes

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Zed really isnt the biggest problem rn. Kat, Talon, Fizz, Heimer and a couple others are easily capable of 1 shotting without any purchased items pre 6. Ontop of that, the some of the most overpowered midlane champions (according to champion.gg) are Morgana, Zilean, Heimer, Malzahar, Vladamir- all of which do extremely well vs zed.

And with ADC's literally able to 3 shot zed after completing 2 items, he needs to strength to stay relevant. Like literally even tanks such as malphite/rammus/maokai are capable of taking 70% of an adcs hp with 1 rotation.

IDK about talon, but fizz and kat are.

WulphOfLegendsDec 11, 20171 votes

talon can 1 shot you level 3

CojakDec 11, 20171 votes

I'm silver so this may not have impact. Zed can dominate early, but falls off quickly, and more importantly, zed doesn't win games. In some ways he can't. He can blow someone up, and that's it. An adc wins the game. If zed takes all the kills the adc starves and the other team wins. I lose lane to Zed, but win the game. Again I'm silver so probs not the same for everyone just my 2 cents.

ShablagooDec 11, 20171 votes

Just gonna put this out there so all the mage mains know, nothing will happen to zed nor will anything change if they do. His kit inherently, for the most part, counters all mages in the mid lane. Regardless of any nerfs that happen he will still be strog against them unless his whole kit is revamped. There is no use in complaining, because it is either remove db and make him dumpster again, while still being strong against mages. Or just nerf him till he is dumpster and still rek mages cuz he is designed to do that.

AR URFDec 11, 20171 votes

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Just gonna put this out there so all the mage mains know, nothing will happen to zed nor will anything change if they do. His kit inherently, for the most part, counters all mages in the mid lane. Regardless of any nerfs that happen he will still be strog against them unless his whole kit is revamped. There is no use in complaining, because it is either remove db and make him dumpster again, while still being strong against mages. Or just nerf him till he is dumpster and still rek mages cuz he is designed to do that.

i find his slow after his shadow e's you to be the most annoying part of him.

TotalJerkDec 11, 20171 votes

Off the top of my head Morgana, Vladimir, Malzahar, Lissandra, and Lulu are all mages that do well against him. As a matter of fact according to champion.gg a lot of his worst matchups are mages.

ShablagooDec 11, 20172 votes

Which is why I really wonder why ppl still are complaining. Ppl know that when assassins snowball in lane it is gonna be hard to deal with them but because of the state of the game everyone snowballs. So should you be complaining about zed or just the inherent state of the game?

TotalJerkDec 11, 20171 votes

Zed is definitely a bitch to deal with when he snowballs, but if he loses lane he's so goddamn useless it's painful. The thing is that he doesn't even snowball as hard as a lot of other assassins.

Spacesuit SpiffDec 11, 20171 votes

The low end of his skillcurve is pretty messed up. A 3 game Zed is tough to deal with, and it takes dozens of games laning against him to be able to deal with him adequately. Combine that with him having the perfect playstyle for facerolling norms/low elo, and have fun playing a squishy if he's on the enemy team.

Then if you build right and somehow outplay his REaa oneshot... he escapes effortlessly. So the best case scenario is that he doesn't kill you just for being on the map.

Void Baboon RFDec 11, 20171 votes

Making a poke heavy assassin with insane kill potential at 6 manaless and nearly ungankable was one of the greatest mistakes ever made by riot.

Then they introduced thunderlords.

Then they introduced duskblade.

Then they introduced an even more powerful thunderlords.

I got modded for calling riot stupid as fuck but what more can be said about the people that work on riot's balance team.

AR URFDec 11, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Void Baboon RF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IK5hEe6V,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2017-12-11T13:03:49.222+0000)

Making a poke heavy assassin with insane kill potential at 6 manaless and nearly ungankable was one of the greatest mistakes ever made by riot.

Then they introduced thunderlords.

Then they introduced duskblade.

Then they introduced an even more powerful thunderlords.

I got modded for calling riot stupid as fuck but what more can be said about the people that work on riot's balance team.

I used to fight zeds all the time back when Yasuo was my main. Now Yasuo gets shit on by every mid laner seems like and at this point against Zed it's not even a skill match-up anymore