Bard's Q does not apply stun if it comes into contact with a wall first

Dokusei·Apr 22, 2015·2 votes·1,572 views

Title, riot please fix this so I don't get blown to bits by the enemy adc next time trying to ward.

EDIT: so i can pull people through walls as a robot with blitzcrank? I can use a morgana ult over a wall i can use a thresh flay and hook over a wall i can use the alistar headbutt through a wall i can jmp through walls with braums get behind me i can thresh lantern someone over a wall i can use the leona gap closer over a wall i can taric stun someone over a wall

But you're telling me the game shouldn't allow me to stun someone with bards Q unless I go [Champion > Wall] first instead of [Wall > champion]?

nevermind i'll just let this post die or will probably bump it if riot ever makes this a thing. i forgot how pointless it was to post in this shit fest of a section.

15 Comments

Deep Terror NamiApr 22, 20153 votes

So you want it to hit walls first every time? Which side of a wall? If you're tossing it across a wall to hit someone will it just hit the first part and stop short?

The ability is fine the way it is. Trying to do what you want would ruin it.

DokuseiApr 22, 20151 votes

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So you want it to hit walls first every time? Which side of a wall? If you're tossing it across a wall to hit someone will it just hit the first part and stop short?

The ability is fine the way it is. Trying to do what you want would ruin it.

his stun is suppose to go off everytime a wall and a champion are near eachother.

In this scenario if you make the Q go through the wall before it makes contact with the champion it will not produce a stun.

I don't think you understand bard at all

AkeydelApr 22, 20152 votes

his stun is suppose to go off everytime a wall and a champion are near eachother.

No, not really. It's called "cosmic binding", it's supposed to BIND a champion to a wall or another champion. No point in cosmically binding a wall to another wall (possible with your interpretation).

Point is, Riot released it how it is, and thats the intended functionality. Claiming you know more about the champion than the people who designed him is just silly.

DokuseiApr 22, 20151 votes

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No, not really. It's called "cosmic binding", it's supposed to BIND a champion to a wall or another champion. No point in cosmically binding a wall to another wall (possible with your interpretation).

Point is, Riot released it how it is, and thats the intended functionality. Claiming you know more about the champion than the people who designed him is just silly.

so i can pull people through walls as a robot with blitzcrank? I can use a morgana ult over a wall i can use a thresh flay and hook over a wall i can use the alistar headbutt through a wall i can jmp through walls with braums get behind me i can thresh lantern someone over a wall i can use the leona gap closer over a wall i can taric stun someone over a wall

But you're telling me the game shouldn't allow me to stun someone with bards Q unless I go [Champion > Wall] first instead of [Wall > champion]?

fuck it i guess i don't know shit about the game and what im asking for to be fixed isn't actually a problem or would break the fucking game.

Why do i even bother with this shitty section.

Deep Terror NamiApr 22, 20152 votes

...if you want your Q to stun, then toss it so that something is behind them. It is not very hard to accomplish that. Not at all. You CAN stun people over walls, but not if you refuse to use the ability properly.

If the ability hits walls first, that means it can never stun 2 targets over a wall. If it hits walls first, the range of the ability is diminished. You are right when you say you guess you don't know what you're talking about.

DokuseiApr 22, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Valkyrie Witch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IEri3PVU,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-22T22:27:24.499+0000) If the ability hits walls first, that means it can never stun 2 targets over a wall.

what the fuck are you talking about

i only mentioned one person in the original post

where the fuck are you getting two targets from?

"riot please fix this so I don't get blown to bits by the enemy adc next time trying to ward."

I used my Q over the wall and hit Graves and it didn't stun him

where the fuck is this second target you are bringing up

AkeydelApr 22, 20151 votes

He's saying that CURRENTLY if you play bard right you can stun two targets over the wall (you know, the two champions you bind together). Pretty good for teamfights.

DokuseiApr 22, 20151 votes

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He's saying that CURRENTLY if you play bard right you can stun two targets over the wall (you know, the two champions you bind together). Pretty good for teamfights.

yes but if im in a 1 on 1 situation i should be able to use the q through the wall hit a champion and have them stunned because the wall is right there

AkeydelApr 22, 20152 votes

sure, the wall is there, but you're not in position to use it. That would be like if vayne condemned someone who is over a wall and they got stunned because "theres a wall, a champ, and an ability that stuns champs when a wall is involved"

Deep Terror NamiApr 22, 20151 votes

There is more than 1 wall in the game. There are minions. There are turrets. There are neutral monsters. If you need to stun them then don't fire off your Q when there is nothing for the secondary part to hit.

Do you need me to [literally] make a picture so you can understand how to work your stun over walls better?

Lord DusteonApr 22, 20152 votes

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so i can pull people through walls as a robot with blitzcrank? I can use a morgana ult over a wall i can use a thresh flay and hook over a wall i can use the alistar headbutt through a wall i can jmp through walls with braums get behind me i can thresh lantern someone over a wall i can use the leona gap closer over a wall i can taric stun someone over a wall

But you're telling me the game shouldn't allow me to stun someone with bards Q unless I go [Champion > Wall] first instead of [Wall > champion]?

fuck it i guess i don't know shit about the game and what im asking for to be fixed isn't actually a problem or would break the fucking game.

Why do i even bother with this shitty section.

Everything that interacts with walls either does it by simply ignoring them (everything you listed) or interacting with them AFTER a certain condition has been met (Poppy's E/Vayne's E push back an opponent and IF they hit a wall stun).

Additionally, making his Q go through walls like that would almost definitely cause it to interpret a wall as an enemy for the purpose of the stun; this would also mean using it on literally any wall would destroy his Q as WALLS HAVE TWO FRIGGIN SIDES. Additionally, his Q's entire purpose is to hit an enemy THEN try and find something to latch onto.

Deep Terror NamiApr 22, 20151 votes

Clearly you are the one that doesn't. The first part only hits units not terrain. It is meant to do that. The second part is the "chain" that seeks something to latch on to.

ModWulf HelhammerApr 22, 20151 votes

No, that's not how it works. If you hit a champion or minion, and BEHIND that first target you hit another unit OR a wall, you will stun both targets (or the first if you hit a wall second). You can't throw it across a wall and think it will hit a champ,, it stops when it hits walls

WeFlyNoLieApr 22, 20152 votes

That's not the intended function so asking it to be fixed isn't going to happen.

You are supposed to have an intended target first (champion or minion) and then it will either stun by attaching to a wall/minion/or other champion.

Mecha MaIphiteApr 22, 20151 votes

The name implies that you are binding a champion to something. Binding a wall to something is kind of weird, and I don't think this change would fit his ability thematically.