Riot, Bramble Vest can never be balanced

Jefftiffy·Dec 10, 2017·13 votes·680 views

Only because there is grievous wounds on it. So it's a cheap item with 35 armor and 40% reduced healing if you AA them which is what the majority of top laners and ADCs do. Even if they don't have lifesteal most tops have decent hp regen or healing making it still good at pushing trades.

Thornmail having it is okay because it late enough in the game that you can counter act it soon after and it still is situational. But bramble vest is just too good in general and no amount of armor tweaks or costs tweaks can fix it. It will always be a useless item or a broken one.

I mean this seems to be a concept you have failed to grasp lately. Utility often is the biggest problem with most kits and items and it seems you understood that for Zoe. It would be nice if you could realize that for the rest of the game.

9 Comments

Z3SleeperDec 10, 20176 votes

item 3123

EedatDec 10, 20174 votes

item 3076

item 3070 Aatrox

KoKobotoDec 10, 20173 votes

I think it can be balanced. What cannot be balanced about the item is leaving it in a state where it JUST APPLIES GREVIOUS WOUNDS without any thought. Much like how you don't even think about the grevious wounds on Executioner's calling. Such a powerful mechanic needs more depth than "auto attack enemy".

Z3SleeperDec 10, 20171 votes

Here's an outlandish idea:

Grievous Wounds on all items scales from 20-40% with level. Crazy I know.

As for the application issue, what other item has any more meaningful thought to it that isn't a niche active item?

Troll for TrumpDec 10, 20172 votes

It's not Bramble, it's most top lane tanks doing too much damage. You don't see bruisers waving around Bramble and suddenly becoming broken because of it

AirKingNeoDec 10, 20171 votes

Tanks are low damage dealers who are supposed to be countered by healing. That's supposedly the reason Aatrox, 'grand healing bruiser' has no percent HP damage or % armor pen. Even before Bramble is sucked since tanks could super outscale him.

Why is the class that is supposed to be weak to healing have an anti-healing item?

Z3SleeperDec 10, 20172 votes

The same reason the class that's supposed to be susceptible to assassination has item 3157 .

The same reason the class that has the lowest income has the cheapest items.

The same reason the class that's supposed to have mobility issues has item 3742 .

AirKingNeoDec 10, 20171 votes

Except Hourglass doesn't make you win 1v1s.

None of these things make you win the laning phase.

BattalionDec 10, 20171 votes

item 3123

Reduction in healing is vital due to how much lifesteal is available and as well as regen. Without a quick answer to lifesteal/regen then champions such as XinZhao Aatrox Vladimir Nunu Singed would be too ridiculous early game to deal with.