Honestly, it won't matter if they nerf Vayne

AstroFerrari ·Sep 1, 2015·6 votes·700 views

You all will find another champion to complain about till every champion is nerfed into a dildo that can only do 5HP per auto attack

21 Comments

TheXtractorSep 1, 20153 votes

True, Its just going to change who is the next-best ADC and then everyone will whine about ADC XXX being picked all the time.

Welcome to League balance, where there are always at least 1-3 champions that dominate their role.

BluePolarizerSep 1, 20152 votes

I don't remember ppl being pissed when Ashe and Jinx were the top tier ADCs. Or the fact that Sivir is still a top tier ADC. It's just Vayne.

AstroFerrari Sep 1, 20154 votes

Wrong. People complain about Kalista a lot too

BluePolarizerSep 1, 20151 votes

Kalista is bullshit for the same reasons Vayne is tho.

If you aren't Master Yi, Zed or Ekko you can't touch her as a melee if she isn't a vegetable (so anywhere higher than gold 5 or so).

TheXtractorSep 1, 20151 votes

Ashe not really but Jinx was complained about too, super strong lane bully while also a hyper carry lategame with insane range.

Sivir is only not complained about because low elo bronzies dont understand the power of her ult, and only complain about vayne because they dont understand how damage works.

BluePolarizerSep 1, 20151 votes

Multiple diamonds have already said that Vayne is OP and Vayne's win rate in diamond is higher than her average win rate in all elos, meaning that in diamond she is more of a problem, not less.

LadyRenlySep 1, 20151 votes

Trust me, Jinx has always been raged about. People have a thing for hyper carries, perhaps except Koggers

ShinTwistSep 1, 20153 votes

G&B is just mostly a circlejerk for complaining about things people lose to, anyway.

AstroFerrari Sep 1, 20151 votes

pretty much yeah, it's getting old to be honest with you

Yosuke ApperuSep 1, 20152 votes

The reason I "whine" is because I play actual tanks.. not the ones with insane burst damage. I'm supposed to be durable.. but true damage is so hideously stupid. I don't get why they don't just change it to AD and maybe SLIGHTLY buff it's damage to compensate. That and a slightly higher cool down on tumble early game(early game is wayyy too safe). I get it yes her identity is a tank buster..but that's a stupid identity lol. Tanks are meant to be tanky. Not so that the enemy team has a front line and you don't because they have a vayne and you don't. I'll probably get downvoted for this comment, but atleast tell me why you're downvoting me if you do so. Thanks =]

AstroFerrari Sep 1, 20151 votes

I'm not gonna down vote you, that would be immature. I agree with your sentiment, and maybe Vayne shouldn't be able to destroy tanks so easily. However, in my time of playing as Vayne it's really not as simple to kill people as the people on these boards say it is. Some people exaggerate her abilities in lane. Yeah I get it, percent HP true damage is strong but what about her weaknesses? She has the least base armor of all ADCs, she has a range of 550 and no skillshots, just ways to buff her auto attacks. To do anything with Vayne, you have to be in auto attack range. By doing this you will be in range of pretty much all CC, and if the tanks and supports have half a brain, they'll eventually get you. The more I play Vayne the more vivid her weaknesses become, not her strengths. I feel this goes for other champions too. And in most games in which a Vayne dominates, I feel like it was more of that Vayne capitalizing on the mistakes of her enemy rather than just relying on the power in her kit.

Yosuke ApperuSep 1, 20151 votes

Corki Draven Ezreal Kalista MissFortune level 1 Tristana and Twitch without ulti Also have a 550 attack range. Graves and Jinx without switcheroo have 525 attack range. KogMaw (without w active) Lucian Sivir have a 500 attack range. So her attack range isn't that terrible honestly. She has everything she needs to snow ball as well as the most self peel of any adc in the game. She also chooses where she fights. If she wants to fight you, you're fighting on her terms. If you want to chase her, condemn you away and can tumble if need be. Skill shot supports also have a much harder time harassing her due to her tumble. Her reward is so high compared to her risks that it's ridiculous. Not to mention a huge amount of her player base seems to be just ridiculously toxic to her team and the other team as well. I'm also tired of seeing her in almost every game. It's literally almost as if the only adc in this game is vayne XD. She doesn't really have any lane weaknesses, because her counters have been nerfed down pretty bad, etc.

AstroFerrari Sep 1, 20151 votes

Corki has better burst, Draven has better burst and defenses, Ezreal has a more reliable escape and doesn't need to rely on positioning, range on Kalista doesn't matter because if that Kalista has decent kiting skills you aren't touching her without the help of your supp, Miss Fortune also has long range CC, Trist has a gap closer, an escape, and burst, and AOE damage with an AS steroid, and well Twitch is just whatever right now. Graves also has better armor and burst, Jinx has an AS boost built into her switcheroo so she isn't truly limited by that attack range. A smart Lucian will poke with his Q and use his dashes to whittle Vayne down, her doesn't need to trade with her. Sivir is more of a team player ADC.

Well I respectfully disagree. 2 major weaknesses of Vayne that know seems to really pay attention to because it's so popular to hate her is her lack of wave clear, and the fact that she can only focus on 1 enemy at a time. When playing Vayne you have to use all of your advantages intelligently or you're going to lose. You have to pick out the mistakes of your enemy and you MUST capitalize on them. Vayne is a strong ADC for punishing mistakes, not really just cause of her kit alone. On paper she really shouldn't be able to beat other ADCs with just tumble and true damage. And don't tell me about the stealth of her Ult because 1 it doesn't last that long and odds are until late game you're only going to be able to stealth yourself once during the Ults duration. The only thing I really get from people who say Vayne has little to no weaknesses is that they don't play Vayne or they just like to circlejerk. Every champion in this game has plenty of weaknesses, most people just don't seek to learn how to exploit them.

Yosuke ApperuSep 1, 20151 votes

As I said i'm willing to forego all of her other silly things that I dislike about her if she didnt have true damage I just can't stand not being able to build to counter things because in my eyes that is the biggest lack of balance. Also I have to add that vayne's ulti is a 12 second duration, tumble grants her invisiblity for 1 second and is on a 2 second cool down. She definitely should be able to stealth multiple times in one ult. She also gets a huge damage steroid and yes i understand she doesnt have any abilities to harrass with XD She can easily tumble out of corki q, as well as a lucian q, because they're super telegraphed. Yes vayne is strong at punishing mistakes. But she should be vulnerable to the same punishment.. and she isn't. By the way.. you're damn right she can only target one at a time! XD Imagine a vayne that could proc silver bolts with item 3085 . She hasn't been touched in a long time and I think she needs to be toned down a tad bit. Give her an actual weak early game/buff the people that counter her. She can farm very safely and once she hits botrk she is no longer in her early game.

redniwediSSep 1, 20151 votes

because I play actual tanks.. not the ones with insane burst damage

I think you're looking for the word Bruiser here.

Now, tanking in League is not the same as tanking in other games. You use your CC and health so that your carries can use their damage while not using their own health. You're supposed to go in, take a lot of damage, and if your team positioned correctly and focused the right targets you win the team fight.

It's not actually your job to survive the team fight. It's always nice if you do, but if the enemy has enough damage to kill you then it's your duty to stand there and die so that your team can live. The true damage you're talking about just assists in punishing any mistakes you and your team make when positioning your front line. You're a tank after all, not a damage dealer, so you should lose if you go head to head with a damage dealer.

If your goal is to survive every fight through sheer tankiness then you're playing the wrong type of game.

BluePolarizerSep 1, 20151 votes

lolwut. Most tanks are supposed to be able to 1v1 damage dealers. That is why all the ADCs in low elo were whining about the "tank meta" because they build shit for def, position iike shit, so the tanks ~1000 base damage + random autos + cinderhulk burn can easily finish them off. Vayne doesn't counter tanks, she counters squishies way harder than she counters tanks. A Maokai can jump in, CC her, burst her for about 1000 base damage from Q/W/E/ult + sunfire or cinderhulk burn and she is forced to focus Maokai for a few seconds. Zed jumps in, gets condemned away instantly and dies in 2 crits before he can even jump back to his shadows.

Yosuke ApperuSep 1, 20151 votes

Garen and Darius are juggernauts. Still as immobile and hard to kill as tanks lol. Being my teams front line isn't a mistake, it's my job as a tank. Vayne being able to nullify that by right clicking and tumbling every two seconds is silly lol. Just make it physical damage, buff the damage a tiny bit and I'll be fine :P The point of the matter is true damage shouldn't be a thing, ignite is fine. If i'm playing a tank though her silver bolts can do more than an ignite, and they have no internal cool down or anything XD.

redniwediSSep 1, 20151 votes

Juggernaut is a new term that is very specific, where as Bruiser is an old term that covers a much larger group of champions. Juggernauts are a subsection of Bruisers, and Bruisers are a subsection of Fighters.

Honestly she does have some problems that need to be fixed with balance changes, but the true damage is not one of them. True damage is just an easy scapegoat for people who don't understand this part of the game.

JustMyBassCannonSep 1, 20151 votes

It kind of does matter, because, ideally, champions should be balanced around their niche strengths.

AstroFerrari Sep 1, 20151 votes

Well, ideally only riot is to blame for all the other ADCs being apparently outclassed by Vayne. But none of that matters, everyone will find another champion to complain about.

JustMyBassCannonSep 1, 20151 votes

Because the game isn't perfectly balanced, people will vocalize what they think is imbalanced. Some are right, more are wrong.