Just another reminder that Sona's E is a 1% extra movespeed per rank up skill

RedCyclone··58 votes·2,571 views

Better buff Nami's movement speed passive...

Come on, all we ask for is the cooldown to be reduced by one second per rank, so at rank 5 it is a 8 second cooldown, you could even remove the 1% increase of speed per rank as a compensation nerf Just have it do SOMETHING upon ranking it past 1

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Cowgirl Ed6 votes

Sona is useless atm unless you go ap

1000angrybees11 votes

I wouldnt say she's useless without AP, but i sure as shit don't build her without it.

Realhrage1 votes

I don't know why, but I always ditch my gold item as just another AP carry in the mid game. Its hilarious she you have more AP than the enemy midlaner.

Fadedpf5 votes

Nami cant speed up everyone like Sona just be glad you can use it as a speed up and slow if you have it power corded.

DJ Di08 votes

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Nami cant speed up everyone like Sona just be glad you can use it as a speed up and slow if you have it power corded.

Next patch, any ally that is hit with Nami's ult will gain 120 flat movement speed.

Fadedpf1 votes

Yet Nami can't poke and deal massive damage like Sona can. Sona's ult is also sometimes better that Namis because it is an AOE stun. If you wanted a massive speed up champion you should play Nami or Janna or just Buy item 3069 . They are completely different champions so don't complain about Sona because she has a little mix of everything, nothing is super great but her damage is definitely the strongest. Nami is almost pure utility after lane phase why complain about that.

DJ Di05 votes

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Yet Nami can't poke and deal massive damage like Sona can. Sona's ult is also sometimes better that Namis because it is an AOE stun. If you wanted a massive speed up champion you should play Nami or Janna or just Buy item 3069 . They are completely different champions so don't complain about Sona because she has a little mix of everything, nothing is super great but her damage is definitely the strongest. Nami is almost pure utility after lane phase why complain about that.

Sona being a generalist isn't necessarily a good thing when she excels at nothing, but that's another topic.

Also strongest damage? Out of supports like Janna or Nami obviously, but Karma, Annie, Zyra, and Velkoz all do a lot more damage than her.

Fadedpf1 votes

That is because they either have have full combos to do. ( except karma Q burst, but it can be blocked by creeps and doesn't make her OP. ) Or just have higher base damage and scaling because you can't have that on a Sona Q. So unless you want Sona to be even more oppressive than she is now by giving her Q or powercord buffs there is no solution to this. I know that Sona's damage is not weak people seriously over exaggerate how much damage she can deal because of hard engage supports killing her and doing they job and acting like Sona is trash because of such engage existing. You might get out damaged by a Velkoz but he doesn't any utility passed his slow and knock up which are dodged 80% of the time.

DJ Di03 votes

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That is because they either have have full combos to do. ( except karma Q burst, but it can be blocked by creeps and doesn't make her OP. ) So unless you want Sona to be even more oppressive than she is now by giving her Q or powercord buffs there is no solution to this. I know that Sona's damage is not weak people seriously over exaggerate how much damage she can deal because of hard engage supports killing her and doing they job and acting like Sona is trash because of such engage existing. You might get out damaged by a Velkoz but he doesn't any utility passed his slow and knock up which are dodged 80% of the time.

What I wish they'd do instead of buffing her Q is just do a mini rework. What she needs is more control over her own abilities. If you make her Q a skillshot that already takes out a lot of the annoyance she brings to lane. Letting her choose her W target would be great. Make her auras a second active (think Lee sin's QWE and how they have two actives) that you can target.

I know that a lot of champions are getting worked on right now that are higher priority, but the least they could do right now is make her E scale with rank. 12 seconds static is just sad.

Fadedpf1 votes

A rework like that would be the best way to deal with Sona, remove some toxic things about her and more interaction with her passive. Maybe E could be buffed a little currently, but definitely not her Q.

Nidalee SO NYAAA1 votes

Her Q is the one thing on Sona that's in a good place right now. Her W and her E need some slight buffs

VDc0zCqe0w1 votes

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Yet Nami can't poke and deal massive damage

wat

do you mean after lane phase?

because Nami is the strongest lane bully support, she shits on the opposing lane 1vs2

Sozan52 votes

But they do that even now... As long as Nami have 800 AP that is.

DJ Di01 votes

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But they do that even now... As long as Nami have 800 AP that is.

Oh, that's right. I forgot that it scales with abilities power lol.

ElegantDoge5 votes

Sona in general,needs a little buff...

1000angrybees3 votes

It should do something else. Suggestions:

-Slow enemies down a little bit who are in the aura, scaling with rank. -Make the aura radius slightly bigger each time you rank it up. -Make it 2% for each rank. (not sure about that one. might make her a little too fast, especially with AP) -Buff the movement speed allies get with each rank.

I'm literally trying to think of anything here.

RedCyclone8 votes

How about it amplifies her E powerchord to slow for more, 20% per rank and starts at 20%, at rank 5 it becomes a root

tradeoff for keeping it a low rank being a disadvantage in that your cc is weaker, but makes it have great significance when you rank it up, and may even start ranking it to 5 first Sona needs some sort of medium spammable harder cc to use lategame, or even earlygame if you want to be a more supporting support, to make her a decent pick but not completely overwhelming

1000angrybees7 votes

that's actually not a bad idea at all. And it's not even like 'that'll make her OP!' because there are supports with WAY more cc than she has. (Blitzcrank Braum Leona Lulu Nami Thresh and most have at least as much as she does)

ChaosThief3 votes

Plus this is incredibly limited and has to trade off bonus damage (Q) or damage reduction (W) so it would give a meaningful interaction.

1000angrybees2 votes

Okay, that's also ridiculously true and a very good point of argument to give sona this buff.

TraakSC2 votes

Yes champions should all be the same.

OverpoweredSoap12 votes

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Yes champions should all be the same.

What

RedCyclone30 votes

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Yes champions should all have abilties with a purpose when ranking it up

Thanks, i know right

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

No Sona is op nerf her

DJ Di02 votes

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No Sona is op nerf her

No u

Nidalee SO NYAAA1 votes

hahahaha so funny I bet you want Yi nerfed too

DJ Di01 votes

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hahahaha so funny I bet you want Yi nerfed too

Yi, no.

Devourer? Maybe.

Nidalee SO NYAAA1 votes

I'm really hating Devourer because champs are getting nerfed just because of the damn item

DJ Di01 votes

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I'm really hating Devourer because champs are getting nerfed just because of the damn item

Yeah.

I'm not sure what Warwick's winrate was before Sated came out, but I wonder what would happen if his winrate rose again because of it.

Though, I have no idea what you could even nerf about him anymore lol.

Dakuraigun2 votes

I use Sona with item 3069 item 3800 and her E (Not exactly in that order). It's fun to have a whole team coming in like a wrecking ball, and then following up with her Ult.

item 3504 <- With this for added teamfight stuffs. She can full buff a team in the fight. She might not have any hard CC spare her ult but she was designed to be a team support instead of being a pick-off (Blitzcrank Thresh) or a peel support (BraumTahmKench Thresh Zilean Zyra)

It all depends on the build whether she's viable or not. People are probably just building her wrong.

DJ Di03 votes

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I use Sona with item 3069 item 3800 and her E (Not exactly in that order). It's fun to have a whole team coming in like a wrecking ball, and then following up with her Ult.

item 3504 <- With this for added teamfight stuffs. She can full buff a team in the fight. She might not have any hard CC spare her ult but she was designed to be a team support instead of being a pick-off (Blitzcrank Thresh) or a peel support (BraumTahmKench Thresh Zilean Zyra)

It all depends on the build whether she's viable or not. People are probably just building her wrong.

Add a Sivir ult to that and break the sound barrier.

The Loveless1 votes

Bit overkill isn't it? Lol

Zmuecat2 votes

Remove the AP scaling on it and give it the appropriate level of movement speed per level.

DJ Di03 votes

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Remove the AP scaling on it and give it the appropriate level of movement speed per level.

Don't let Riot see this; they 'd probably do something along the lines of:

Sona Song of Celerity: Cooldown increased to 16/15/14/13/12 from 12 at all ranks Mana cost increased to 90 from 60 Self buff: 15% at all ranks from 13 / 14 / 15 / 16 / 17% (+ 7.5% per 100 AP)[AP Scaling removed] We wanted to move around Sona's power to earlier levels, but adjusted accordingly.

Zmuecat1 votes

It's a risk I have to take with my hate of utility scaling.

SkippyWare1 votes

get ur oprresive no counterplay support bs bronze logic out of here. riot doesnt read boards for a reason

Hinagiku331 votes

Sona's E has always been the worst skill in the game

Riot's gonna keep it that way since they seem to hate her (especially her ult)

DJ Di01 votes

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Sona's E has always been the worst skill in the game

Riot's gonna keep it that way since they seem to hate her (especially her ult)

Rip

Ulquiorra9951 votes

Newsflash! Riot hates Sona and never hesitates to go against their own design philosophies if it means nerfing her.

"We hate pigeonholing champions into being forced to buy a certain item to be relevant." Yet Sona without LB is still useless.

"Abilities should be rewarding to use" Hello, 1% movespeed per level!

"We reduced Sona's base heal and introduced missing HP scaling so she can't keep people topped up but is still impactful when people tai damage." But we didn't say we wouldn't cut that HP scaling in half so her heal is crap either way.

Meanwhile, Nami heals and damages with one ability more than Sona with two. And speeds up better with her passive than Sona with her E. Meanwhile, Thresh is allowed to be absolute top tier since release and is still absolute ungodly pain to lane against.

DeBigMoist1 votes

just buff lulu sona karma zil i am tired of leo blitz thresh naut and janna.

Rozzeta1 votes

Yeah, I can already see it...

"We have received feedback that it didn't feel satisfactory to level up Sona's E. Next patch, the skill will change from 13/14/15/16/17% flat base to 4/8/12/16/20% flat base. This change will take a little of her early game power and provide more utility on end game, and will signify an estimulus for players to rank up E early. Ultimately, this change will separate the good Sonas from the Great Sonas." - Riot Games.

pxst1 votes

Nami hmm my fav main champ jack of all trades master of none , nami got a unique kit have boost ms passive , heal and trade damage with her w , have cc to peel and engage (although nami engage part is quite weak tho but I think nami might just need a little buff to her passive longer duration and it will be ok with talisman it will be ok , but I think if nami ult can have a little faster projectile speed will be grateful Because it is so hard to use it as engage unless u have talisman or flash ult and not too slow can be easily block by yasuo wind wall (seriously even the most slowest reaction player can use wind wall to block her ult) just a suggestion but even defensive support can go aggressive just depend on how u play , Janna can be a lane bully to leona if play aggro on early lv ( I think nerfing new tank support like trundle and nautilus is already a gd buff for squishy support)

DragoonRuin1 votes

I honestly, can't remember the last time I had a Sona support. :-( It's saddening.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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Better buff Nami's movement speed passive...

Come on, all we ask for is the cooldown to be reduced by one second per rank, so at rank 5 it is a 8 second cooldown, you could even remove the 1% increase of speed per rank as a compensation nerf Just have it do SOMETHING upon ranking it past 1

sona is a jack of all trade champion. she can not excel at any one particular aspect of her kit.

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