Why're we letting Zilean/Morg be a solo laner, but not Lulu?

Seenan··4 votes·610 views

All three have arguably similar damage patterns, in which they don't do much damage early but have decent cc with low mana costs, then their supremely high AP ratios come into play (Zil/Morg I mean) later on and they start chunking people (or even outright killing them) along with their also AP-increased utility.

Ie, damage -> tied into a form of strong cc Support -> shield (or revive) or Speed boost -> only for Lulu and Zilean Super high ratios currently -> Zilean, Morg, and I'm sure Lulu would still have some of her former damage before her many nerfs.

There's no continuity here. Lulu's a cockblock and 'oppressive' to Assassins and melee alike, what about Zilean who outright invalidates anyone's efforts provided he can press 'R' in time, along with doing a ton of damage when he can hit at least one of his many sufficiently low mana Qs lategame? His ult will very likely fully heal a moderate hp ADC too. His rework gave people the opportunity to get out of the way, in exchange for a stun if aimed right and an ult that has the possibility to completely revive and heal a champion. No wonder he was shortly picked up by teams.

Zilean especially loves to make Seraph's and/or ROA, so he can endlessly spam further. It's worse in ARAM where he already has nice regen.

I'm not biased for Lulu or anyone I mention here. I don't like any support-tagged champ that has enough damage to actually be a midlaner. So, I also don't like how the 'midlaners' Brand and Velk have passives and a cc pattern that lets them 'support'/off-carry. Infact, I see velk and brand more in support than midlane. Go figure.

How bout we make raka and nami a midlaner? Buff those AP ratios up to 90% and let's goooooooooo. Or make Ahri a support? The most elusive support you'll ever know.

I get that Riot wants 'MUH 15 CHAMPS WORLDS DIVERSITY' but this is dumb. And I know Morg hasn't been played in the LCS recently (unless I'm wrong in this). Brand, Lulu, Zilean, Zyra, and Idk about Velk, have been played in their 'off-role' to success throughout worlds and the past-LC$, however, from what I know.

Bring on the downvotes, to the people who read my name and instantly downvote. I'll keep making these topics though.

10 Comments

dunder kill5 votes

Because Lulu offers a metric shit ton more utility than those two. Morg has a lot of utility, but not nearly as much as lane Lulu did. Lulu is a lot of point and click utility as well. At least with Morg you can dodge her Q and can get out of her ult with any dash. Lulu is a lot of point and click and landing her point and click E makes landing her 'skillshot' Q undodable. Morg is also gated by higher cooldowns. Lulu's polymorph is point and click and it can also be used as a huge speed-up. Lane Lulu is just too good at too many things

Mordepool4 votes

Morgana is a midlaner 1 st. Support 2nd. Despite her playrate she still has 4 seasons as a mid. 2 as support ands her being played sup is directlly linked to Thresh the original OP support

Requiemsfire3 votes

Because Lulu has no relevant counterplay in lane or any real bad match ups. Her polymorph, shield and ultimate make it really hard to trade with her to any relevant degree and her early burst hits really hard despite being a utility mage. Would be insanely hard to deal with as anyone who isn't a poke mage.

Raka and Nami's AP ratios were higher before and were gutted for similar reasons.

Dracocrash2 votes

While I dont know much about zelian so cannot really comment on him, i can tell you one thing.

Morgana was intended to be a solo laner, while lulu was not. simple.

KirbyCake1 votes

what about karma, the real cancerous support solo laner

Chamuel851 votes

She's had a lot of nerfs towards her solo lane, and isn't nearly picked as much for solo anymore. I don't think.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Try playing a Melee toplaner against a lulu who has half an idea what she's doing...

ChaddyFantome1 votes

Morg and Zilean are midlaners being played as support. They give up something to play a Support. Lulu gave up nothing for going into Solo lane instead of Support. In fact, she was much stronger.

Supports in general have inherently "broken" mechanics to make up for the lack of anythign else they provide. But these are balanced IN the support scenario, whereas in solo lanes they tend to be broken.

bad arcade kitty1 votes

she is a bad support too, at least rito could buff her utility if they nerf her damage

N Pelosi1 votes

Morgana is a primary mid. People just take her support more because lockout bullshit became the norm bot lane.

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