Was the Lissandra nerf really necessary?

Voidac··12 votes·3,249 views

It seems silly to think that nerfing her damage is an all-fixing solution. It's an 85 mana cost ability on a champ that already has terrible base mana regen. But evidently enough people got butthurt that this became a thing. It has a low cooldown to tempt people to spam it. It's not like Cassy's E where she can just shred people with it. Are we going to nerf Cassy, too? OH WAIT... Nerfing damage by 25 points is silly. If you're doing to do that, then reduce the mana cost by 15. Seriously, it's a medium range skillshot that needs to be aimed through minions, already taking Lissandra away from her safe distance. It's just sad to see a champion that they were previously thinking about buffing is getting a nerf because enough people got butthurt about the cc.

In the end, 25 damage is only 25 damage. But I do think that there should be a compensation buff in the cost of the ability.

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RedCyclone15 votes

She counters Zed can't be having that

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Only Play Darius7 votes

Go fight lissandra top as an immobile, melee top laner.

Wydiwyg2 votes

Go fight anything ranged as an immobile, melee top laner. This isn't Lissandra's fault, it's the meta shift as a whole. By that logic, we might as well nerf Lulu since she is played top a lot these days, although her winrates in the support role are already pretty bad and could honestly need a buff if anything.

I don't like that either, but I don't think that gutting her wave clear will make much of a difference. She may be picked a little less now, but if it happens, she'll still be hard to deal with.

Voidac1 votes

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Go fight anything ranged as an immobile, melee top laner. This isn't Lissandra's fault, it's the meta shift as a whole. By that logic, we might as well nerf Lulu since she is played top a lot these days, although her winrates in the support role are already pretty bad and could honestly need a buff if anything.

I don't like that either, but I don't think that gutting her wave clear will make much of a difference. She may be picked a little less now, but if it happens, she'll still be hard to deal with.

This guy gets it.

Only Play Darius1 votes

But it is the fault of the people who abuse the range advantage she has to harass without taking minion aggro.

Just a few days ago I was playing Nasus top and lost lane hard to a Lissandra ADC (Yes, you heard right, she built attack speed/crit). Unlike most other ranged tops i could never catch her because she has about 50 slows and a wallhop. Really shows how broken ranged tops are.

I don't know what Riot did that made it impossible for melee champs to fight back vs. ranged champs in lane, but all I know is that ranged tops are being abused every other game and there is no counterplay for it if you are melee. When something is getting abused in 50% of games expect it to get nerfed.

Rengar top is broken as all f*ck, I cannot describe to you how broken it is. And the mana regen nerfs only gave it less counterplay. Want to know why he hasn't been nerfed like Lissandra? Because hardly anyone ever abuses it. For every Rengar I see go top, there were about 50 Lissandra's that went top as well.

The Whamboozler4 votes

It seems a fair nerf, to be honest. It didn't hit her main strength, which is "Dive in and Ult a priority target to oblivion", it hit an area she was strong at and wasn't entirely meant to be... her waveclear and poke. Liss is champ who is supposed to all-in hard and disengage well. Her poke and waveclear were icing on the cake that pushed her to being a hugely dominant force in pro games and that make her obnoxious to deal with in solo queue. They didn't hit her ult or her CC at all. She still counters Zed. She still kites melee champs super hard. She still slips away easily and can dive you HARD.

If this nerf is all it takes you to ditch Liss, you were never a Liss player. You were just a LCS sheep picking her because she's uber strong. You won't be missed.

Focus Teemo3 votes

She will get no compensation, and should be nerfed further. Consider yourself lucky they only removed 25 damage from her Q(her least offensive ability), rather than gutting her ult, and W like they should have.

Samflash31 votes

Lol! Where were you in all my freelo Lissandra threads from last year?

Focus Teemo2 votes

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Lol! Where were you in all my freelo Lissandra threads from last year?

I don't remember... you wouldn't happen to be related to ArcDriveFinish would you lol?

Samflash33 votes

Don't mind me. Just gathering members for the #GuttheFreeloWitch club

EDIT: We have cookies!!!

Voidac2 votes

So troll, not even bait.

Focus Teemo2 votes

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So troll, not even bait.

Edited...

You know what... i apologize. Lissandra's name alone makes me rage, but that was a bit much.

But something something fuck Liss.

HOLDMADICCCC2 votes

Ability Power champions are so babied in this game any nerf to one of them is necessary. Can't believe they added ANOTHER top tier AP item. Sheesh.

Uperior2 votes

I remember a few months ago people were saying that Lissandra was underpowered... >_>

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Yea, those were the same people who cries to top lane with Lissandra.

Only Play Darius1 votes

Because they were playing her mid.

Then they tried her out top and turned her into ranged cancer that ruins games for melee champs.

Zmuecat1 votes

As you said, in the end, 15 damage is only 15 damage.

Be thankful Riot didn't go "Lissy is strong, so let's remove the invuln portion of her ult!"

Voidac1 votes

Woops, my bad. They actually nerfed it for 25 damage.

Dreadlocks1 votes

I agree. However to be fair, I would rather her get a slight slap on the wrist then have them ignore her and then have her gutted.

Malix Farwin1 votes

She can ult and freeze lee sin.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Getting myself poked/smacked by her patiently spammable free-cost AoE Q when all I wanted to do is cs as a melee champ, is not very fun. She deserved this kind of nerf anyway, be glad she isn't like Ryze's nerf.

Voidac1 votes

She has the worst mana regen of any mage and it costs 85 mana. That's not free. Know that it's like a Lucian Q, if you actually move and don't stand still, you're harder to hit. Her passive takes 18 seconds to proc. So no, it's not cost-free. There are plenty of windows for you to farm. I know, I've played against her, too.

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