So Riot just hates Sejuani, right?

Voidac··124 votes·10,749 views
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/sites/default/files/upload/beastslayer_splash_1920x1080.jpg

I don't even play Sejuani. I've also never really had a problem with League splash arts before. But in this splash, Sejuani doesn't even feel like part of the group of Beast Hunters. When I first saw the splash, I thought it was a pretty cool action shot. Tryndamere and Draven have finally spun their weapons fast enough to achieve flight, hanging in sweet action poses... and Sejuani is just... down there. Her flail somehow magically extended even though that's CLEARLY not the weapon she uses or how she even uses it.

To be fair, if Riot had given any other champion this treatment, I'd still be nettled all the same. If Trynd or Draven were shoved off to the side, I'd be like wtf. Now, it wouldn't be so bad but... she's not even in a "cool action pose". She's just holding on to a chain... She's the champion who dashes in on a boar and smashes everything up! She should be beating down a beast with her flail... not using it as depicted in the splash. Not only is this an insult to the champion, but to the people who play her. Sejuani is an awesome character who literally gives no fucks. The whole point of the character is "peace is another word for weakness" so you can be damn sure she'd be beating the living hell out of something... but just holding it down for the two manly men to slice up.

You see what I'm getting at here? If Brand was part of a splash and you shoved him in the back corner, I'd be absolutely fucking livid. Sejuani deserves the same respect and so do the people who play her. Another issue I have is her face. No real emotion, just a frown and that big ridiculous horn. Look at Draven and Trynd, they're having a hell of a time. She almost looks pissed about not being the one to be smashing the life out of whatever the hell they're attacking.

I'm not trying to make this about "oh, woman aren't portrayed well in videogames" because I think that's bullshit. Do you see the two guys in this splash? By that logic, they aren't displayed well either. No, there's nothing wrong with an attractive VIDEO GAME CHARACTER. This isn't what I'm complaining about. I'm complaining about the sheer disrespect for Sejuani. She's almost part of the background of the splash when she should be the subject matter just like Trynd and Draaaven.

Another splash I remember having issue with was Corsair Quinn, who happens to be one of my favorite champs... and she's just sitting on a box in the background.

An example of a splash like this done right is the Academy splash. Each champion is displayed well and in their full glory. Ahri and her nine tails, Vlad and Ekko and their combined swag, and Darius bein' all badass. Ekko is obviously in the back, but he's clearly presented and not part of the background.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/sites/default/files/styles/scale_xlarge/public/upload/academy_skins_splash_final_1920.jpg?itok=BGm6KB0U

92 Comments

Solerian54 votes

Huge respect to everything in this post, from the arguments about what a proper group splash is to the portrayal of the characters.

I've always hated group splashes because I feel they deserve an individual splash (look at how great Sweetheart Sona is, despite being in a series). I think if Riot wants to continue this trend, each character needs to be clearly defined.

BlueBonquet10 votes

Draven's arm is bigger than Sejuani. Draven's arm could be a champion.

Boulderox2 votes

I believe so too but 750 skins aren't seen as worthy of the work required to make custom splashes

Vera36 votes

The splash is rubbish when you consider its primary goal is to showcase the champions and their... you know, skins.

skullzx730 votes

Welp, they Sejuani'd Sejuani's new skin, hows that for ironic?

Dominick Destine25 votes

Sejuani has been despised by Riot for a long time.

Even the in-game model looks pretty flimsy.

Nixzilla19 votes

I mean she was nerfed just because she pushed Lee out of the spotlight during the LCS. they even stated it. I love Sej but I dont really have a want to play her if when ever she pokes her head out riot will just nerf her.

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

I thought she was nerfed because she was rapidly approaching 100% ban rate. I mean I don't remember Kassadin or Darious not getting nerfed for the same thing.

Tik1155 votes

Nope, they SPECIFICALLY said they wanted other champions time in the spotlight

AKA Lee Sin

Again

For 6 or so seasons in a row

Lee Sin

Time in the spotlight

Kyillou4 votes

Idk they did give her a huge ass poro to ride on. Not sure what the down side of that is.

rtbf2256182413 votes

It was for christmas and people requested it. You could almost say they were "forced" to keep the christmas spirit up.

Raven Redeemed16 votes

Might agree with the Sej thing, but Ekko...

He got more swag than the rest of academy combined! Just look at dem kicks!

Voidac4 votes

Hey Ekko...

WHAT ARE THOOOOSE

Raven Redeemed3 votes

And where can I get them?!

Baron of Bread15 votes

The first time I saw this splash I didn't even see Sejuani. I thought "Cool, Sej is going to get her own splash." Now I am just sad.

To be fair, she is taking up roughly the same amount of space as Tryndamere if you include Bristle as part of Sejuani. The real problem is probably the lack of vibrant colors for her. Trynd has his bright yellows and blues while Draven takes up half the splash and has a lot of purple-red. Sej is mostly blue-gray with some yellows that are muted by the shadow from the beast.

Maybe if they moved the beast's shadow a bit they could make Sej and Bristle more vibrant and eye-catching so the spotlight isn't entirely taken by Trynd and Draaaaven.

TRock1512 votes

ya know what? she does look like part of the background doesn't she?

jQuery11 votes

It is really baffling how is the most space in this splash art, taken up by an element that is non-existing in the game!

CarameI Frappe9 votes

The reason why I didn't buy her skin is because of the splash.

Granted, certain champions are worth getting along with certain skins because in-game, they look amazing despite the splash being meh. Here, both the splash and Sej's skin looks ... mediocre. Like, Riot felt like she needed a skin but didn't put as much effort into either project. I'd be like if all the Project characters were placed in a video, and you saw them in action, seeing Zed Fiora Lucian MasterYi animated is so cool but they never included Leona apart from showing her sword laying on the floor. Oh wait that did happen >_> ...

That's the vibe I got when seeing this splash art. Treat each character with dignity and respect please Riot.

Hello I am Bird8 votes

I was pissed when I didn't see Leona in the PROJECT: OVERDRIVE

AMYS GRAVE9 votes

I mean, they nerfed her after cinderhulk to take her out of the spotlight almost a year ago. I guess it's working.

revliledpembroke5 votes

I've pretty much hated every group splash, ever since Pentakill got moved from their individual splashes to the group one. Mainly because, well, it's so hard to see what's going on with the one specific character in you have 4 or 5 others you are looking at in the picture, and that's without the now nigh impossible to see background stuff.

Silat10 votes

I think the only good one so far that has hit all the right notes for a group splash was the RPG one with Braum, Varus, Ryze, and Gragas-shows all four of them in all corners, all around a campfire. Generally though group splashes are a mess. >n>

Placentas4 votes

That one is so good & believable too. Totally feels like a scene straight out of a fable/fantasy novel which is what their aim was.

Monkey D Luffy5 votes

Sej isn't even in a bad state...

Secretlolz2 votes

Go play her on Plat+ against your typical pu*sy composition Ahri, Lee, Ezreal, Thresh, Fiora and talk about viable

Monkey D Luffy1 votes

http://i.imgur.com/bjckjMf.png That's why she has such a baaaad win rate in plat +

LankPants2 votes

For a champ who's only picked in 2.5% of games and basically only played by her mains at this point a winrate just over 50% isn't really that good.

Remember that Sej was a champion who was balanced at a 55% winrate pre-Cinderhulk. Her closest analogous champion is Amumu, who is generally considered balanced and has a 53% winrate. In fact other simple jungle tanks in general seem to sit around this 53% win rate, this includes champs like Amumu, Ramus, Naut and Skarner.

You really can't just look at a winrate in relation to the 50% number an use it to say X is strong or Y is weak. That turns up some very questionable results like Lee being too weak and Amumu being incredibly overpowered. You also need to look at a champ's pick rate, champs who are rarely picked tend to be played by only the most dedicated players which drives their winrate up. A champs winrate compared to other similar champs is also more useful than just straight winrate.

In all these regards Sejuani appears to be very weak.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

I can guarantee you that Sejuani would easily have a winrate on par with Amumu's if people actually built her correctly. Because right now, their items, runes, and masteries so all so wrong, and it makes her seem far worse than she is. Not to mention that most people don't play her correctly either.

LankPants1 votes

People itemise every champion poorly, care to tell me why you think this would have such a huge impact on Sej and not Amumu?

Slamurai Jack1 votes

Imagine if, for some reason, the playerbase at large neglected to build Spirit Visage on Mundo. Or people didn't build Black Cleaver on Garen. Or Lich Bane on TF. Not building their best item would all lower their winrates quite a bit, don't you think? And yet, this is exactly what's happening on Sejuani. How often have you seen someone build item 3025 on her? I'm willing to bet never. And yet it's literally the best item in the game on her, outside of possibly Cinderhulk. I've been building it every single game since they changed it and I could never go back. It's so much better than the alternatives that I can't believe people haven't figured it out yet. Every person I've gotten to try it says it feels amazing and builds it every game now. And most Sejuani's runes and masteries are terrrible too. Bond of Stone over Strength of Ages? That's what people are doing and it's terrible. I have yet to see anyone else run hp/lvl seals either. All in all, the average Sejuani players setup is pretty fucking bad, and it does make her look worse than she is.

LankPants1 votes

How often have you seen someone build item 3025 on her? I'm willing to bet never. And yet it's literally the best item in the game on her, outside of possibly Cinderhulk.

I heavily disagree. There's a massive amount of anti-synergy between Sej and IBG. As a champ who already has a plethora of CC and a very high up time slow you tend to lose out on a lot of the slowing field's effect. You can't compare this to Spirit Visage on Mundo or Lichbane on TF because those items have very clear synergies.

What you've found is a niche item that works for you and the way you play. It's probably worse than Frozen Heart in most cases unless you specifically play around it, so it's a good item for you because you do but not so much for me because I don't play that way.

I build a niche item on Sejuani too in Eye of the Equinox but I would make any arguments that it's in any way the best item. It's an item that I like playing with because I have learnt to play around it and time my ganks to proc the passive. In every other way it's basically just an RSS, which is a good item.

And most Sejuani's runes and masteries are terrrible too. Bond of Stone over Strength of Ages? That's what people are doing and it's terrible.

This is wrong. The most common keystones taken by Sejuani are SoA>Thunderlords>BoS~GotU. 40% of Sejuani players are taking Strength of Ages.

I have yet to see anyone else run hp/lvl seals either.

They're the second most common seals on her. But there are also clear advantages to armour seals. Having a strong early clear is quite important and armour seals certainly help with that more than HP/Lv seals.

All in all, the average Sejuani players setup is pretty fucking bad, and it does make her look worse than she is.

All in all the average Sej player is a diehard main who refuses to stop playing the champion even if she's considerably weaker than average. This player is far more likely to actually be a good Sejuani than someone playing the most recent FotM champion. Even if their setup is substandard (which I don't agree with) they're still going to be overall more skilled with their champion than average, which more than serves to offset this.

KoKoboto5 votes

They should've made another splashart for these set of skins, one focused on Sejuani than Tryndamere still in the middle than Draven would be in the background. So if you use Draven you see him and you are always able to see Tryndamere, if you use Sejuani you'd actually be able to see her in the splashart. I understand Riot wanted to make a dynamic splashart and I will say that the concept is cool but putting a champion that far into the background is lame.

Captain Aishi5 votes

what I find particularly sad about that splash art is that sejuani's loading screen icon is a zoomed in version of the splash, so it looks super low-res compared to the others because they had to zoom in on it so it would take the correct amount of space for a loading screen...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4bL0yxG2QvQ/Vp_iubLymhI/AAAAAAAA3HI/QpZbdx02oTk/s1600/Sejuani_6.jpg

compared to draven

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SJPUVS-RBvw/Vp_iuYT_kPI/AAAAAAAA3HE/PsJZM93j-TM/s1600/Draven_5.jpg

KING OF MASKS4 votes

Eh, I think Corsair Quinn is forgivable just because everyone in that splash is just kinda hanging out (EDIT: Except Malphite, didn't realize they edited him in).

I dunno... OP raises some good points, but I just don't care about splashes unless it's a skin I really really like. For example, if for some ungodly reason they "updated" Rugged Garen's splash to some bullshit garbage fucking goddamn action pose filth, I would get on a flight to LA and start a 24-hour picketing of rito's offices. But if (hypothetically) Rogue Admiral Garen was shoved into the corner of its splash (where Quinn is), I wouldn't really care.

Sahn Uzal4 votes

In Sejuani's defense, Draven does not have a spine and Tryndamere is the allmighty lord of derp. Sej may only be a small part of the picture, but small Sej does Sej some favor. summoner 31

SoMNia3 votes

Yeah, it's really weird that she's only 1/8 of the splash and looks like part of the background. I know Draven is...Draven, but does he need half of the image? This is pretty absurd. Even just the head of the "beast" they're hunting takes up twice as much space as her.

On another note, I actually really like this skin for her.

Gapybo3 votes

I think you are extremely overreacting here. The splash art tells a story and it's extremely hard to cramp 3 champions into one splash but they managed to do it well. Especially since Sejuani's boar is huge. I would understand your concern if her loading image was that tiny but it isn't. You don't see the splash art anywhere but on the champion page. You obviously have 0 idea how hard it is to make a good composition for these artworks. Would you prefer if they all stand in a line like a bunch of dummies? How does that represent their theme? This is not riot disrespecting Sejuani. It's them trying to represent the skins and their theme in an original way so stop spewing bullshit.

SoMNia5 votes

Nonsense. The Academy splash included 4 champions just fine. They could have easily depicted this scene without shoving the POV up Draven's armpit. But they didn't. I didn't even know Sej was in this set until I saw this thread. Take that as you will.

Rozair3 votes

I want that reksai skin

Cyraken3 votes

I agree with all of that but I'm also tired of boob-plate and of every woman having the same stick-thin body time. It makes more sense for a woman, a WAR LEADER like Sejuani to be strong and buff, have more of an Illaoi body type. Actually, with a character like a champion of league of legends -each super human in their own way-, 'lingerie super model' should be the exception, left to a few champions like Ahri, evelyn, and miss fortune, and buff bad ass should be the rule.

Hellioning3 votes

Oh, yeah. As a big Sej player, I got really annoyed when I saw that splash.

Aeszarck2 votes

I don't especially like how small Sejuani is in the splash, but I'm glad she's at least getting a new skin. A small mention is better than none at all, and though her presence in the splash art looks minimal (even though she's actually doing the most work (at least in my opinion)), I think the actual skin she got looks really cool.

But yeah, champions shouldn't be stuffed in corners unless there's a <really> clear reason to do so.

Also, I thought Corsair Quinn was fine, and played just as much of a role in the art as the other two (three) champions. Out of the three (four) skins in the portrat, she actually caught my eye the most. She looked quite beautiful, honestly.

Lechet2 votes

While it's a really great piece of art, I don't think this is a good skin splash for any of them. You can barely make out any of the actual skins. The only one you can even kind of see is Tryn's, Draven's in too bad a position for you to get a good look at it, and Sej is just nonexistent. I literally didn't even notice she was in it until I watched the little trailer video for it.

I'm not a big fan of group splash arts in general but this is one of the worst.

Ralfazar2 votes

Man WTF why is her weapon STILL a chunk of ICE?! Have NONE of the devs even played any of the Monster Hunter games?! Make it a chunk of BONE gods damnit, if you're going to copy another games take at least do it RIGHT for EVERY CHAMPION.

THESuperStuntMan2 votes

I didn't even notice; you've got a good point. I personally got caught up in Draven missing half his body.

Deus Imperator2 votes

I already got poro raider sejuani, is this monster hunter skin even worth buying over that?

PapaGreg211 votes

Positives

  • Love the skin and the loading screen splash is still pretty good.
  • Good value for 750 rp (I bought it)
  • Shared splashes let Riot share resources so they can make more skins

Negatives

  • Don't like shared splashes
  • Definitely feels like a "where's waldo" scenario with Sejuani in the picture
  • Sejuani not only has been overnerfed and can be labeled as a "worse amumu" but she is currently one of the few late game champs in a meta where games are over quickly
jQuery2 votes
  • Shared splashes let Riot share resources so they can make more skins

No No no!

That is just crap! A total bullshit!

First of all I doubt the people who make the skins also make the art for the splash.

If they could afford only 2 artists then OK... sure...
This is LOL man! The game with the biggest revenue in the past 2 years!

estimated $1.064B three quarters into 2015 from the months of January to September

I know what I am talking about production wise too; I am a UI designer and UI developer, and my sister is Character Concept Artist and game illustrator. Riot does not make a new splash art every week and they should be capable to make it so with no problem. They should have the resources and can have the resources for it.

The only reason they would have a shared splash art is so the champions feel more thematically tied together, to have more than just a common prefix. Which is OK, I prefer single but shared is fine too, but some are not done good enough, no mater if shared or single.

#HELL! They can give us single splash arts for everyone and then a different damn 4k wallpaper to tie the theme and promote the skin!

They can even charge me for it +10RP per champion from the theme bulk coming out together.

And I wanna Archie-slap who ever says "they dont have the resources..."! That is just stupid and has nothing to do with why the dinosaur(just an ornament in this splash-art) is better presented then any of the champions!

This is the slap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAa36d-HPyQ

Elijah Prophet1 votes

But in this splash, Sejuani doesn't even feel like part of the group of Beast Hunters.

I did't read past this line. There are three hunters in this picture, and Sejuani is CLEARLY one of them, right there LASSOING A GOD DAMN GIGANTIC BIRD so the other two hunters can put in work. Are you seriously complaining that Sejuani isn't in the foreground of the picture or something....? Some team of artists probably spent hours creating this and you just spent all that time just to shit on it? Get over yourself man. Possibly dumbest post I've ever seen.

Fay S0ff3 votes

Just because someone spent a lot of time on a thing doesn't mean it's good or free from criticism. Sejuani is not prominently displayed in the splash art and her character type would more likely have her smashing the damn thing's head in, instead of running support for the kill. The splash art does not hold true to her character and THAT is the complaint.

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