No bad anecdotes. No bullshit. Her damage output is just too high right now and with a little peel she easily solos games due to her untargetability+snare combo.
It's mostly how high her damage with E is.
Çhåryzård36 votes
: (stands in one spot and right clicks)
: (Q's and W's, presses E when she has enough feathers behind you)
: "lol xayah op please nerf"
Rock MD15 votes
Ya know if you actually built a Zeal item in most of your games you'll find landing her E is a lot easier than you make it sound.
Ralanr3 votesThat makes no sense. Landing it doesn't really depend on your items. Items only determine the damage.
Rock MD4 votesThat makes no sense. Landing it doesn't really depend on your items. Items only determine the damage.
It's almost as if having more attack speed means she puts out feathers faster.
On top of that her damage on E scales with crit chance so even when you're not building raw damage your burst still goes up.
Ralanr3 votesIt's almost as if having more attack speed means she puts out feathers faster.
Fair enough.
On top of that her damage on E scales with crit chance so even when you're not building raw damage your burst still goes up.
Building crit doesn't make it easier to land, just more rewarding to do so.
Rock MD2 votesFair enough.
Building crit doesn't make it easier to land, just more rewarding to do so.
Crit is on all attack speed items except BotRK, so what I'm saying is that the double dipped scaling is what makes her damage so extreme, even for an ADC.
Ralanr2 votesThough it does force her to actually build like an adc and would make her considerably weaker whenever something like lethality becomes meta.
Crit scaling abilities or passive might become more common on ADCs (Jhin for example) to better encourage them for building crit.
Combined with lower costing crit items, it allows them to scale faster.
Now personally I do think she hits too hard, but I'd rather the crit scaling just be reduced not removed. And not reduced to the point where it's better to build flat AD than the crit she was intended to build (like how lethality Jhin happened).
Salron7 votesTell me how easy it is to dodge the feathers from her R>E
ModAcademy Kayn18 votesUse the delay time to position yourself in front of only one the feathers, by being near the absolute edge of her Ult's range. If she uses Q, switch feather. The farther away from her you are, the less likely you are to be at the juncture of 3 feathers. Move right or left if you see her using Q.
Salron3 votesAnd what stops her from adjusting her ult so that you're still dead center after moving....?
ModAcademy Kayn18 votesThe only way you're going to be confirmed hit at the juncture of three feathers is if you're in the middle of her ult when all the feathers land. If you just keep walking away, even when the feathers land from her ult, it takes a while for her to land which is plenty enough time for you to get out of juncture range.
Salron4 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I2eFKNGm,comment-id=00070001000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-14T05:32:23.274+0000)
The only way you're going to be confirmed hit at the juncture of three feathers is if you're in the middle of her ult when all the feathers land. If you just keep walking away, even when the feathers land from her ult, it takes a while for her to land which is plenty enough time for you to get out of juncture range.
You walk away Xayah walks toward you
No distance is actually gained
ModAcademy Kayn13 voteseven when the feathers land from her ult, it takes a while for her to land which is plenty enough time for you to get out of juncture range.
Her feathers don't follow you, and her descent from her invulnerability isn't instant. I've seen people do it, it's not hard, you just keep moving.
Asayake 5150glow2 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I2eFKNGm,comment-id=00070001000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-14T05:32:23.274+0000)
The only way you're going to be confirmed hit at the juncture of three feathers is if you're in the middle of her ult when all the feathers land. If you just keep walking away, even when the feathers land from her ult, it takes a while for her to land which is plenty enough time for you to get out of juncture range.
But.. what if you're melee?
Joxcab1 votesThe only melee that should be even getting close to her are tanks that don't give a shit about her damage or assassins who'd have burst-deleted her or jumped on her before the teamfight started to force her to waste ultimate prior to the teamfight and thus make her next to useless in the teamfight itself.
Asayake 5150glow1 votesThe only melee that should be even getting close to her are tanks that don't give a shit about her damage or assassins who'd have burst-deleted her or jumped on her before the teamfight started to force her to waste ultimate prior to the teamfight and thus make her next to useless in the teamfight itself.
So she should be untouchable by skirmishers and bruisers?
Çhåryzård1 votes[{quoted}](name=Cant Hold Me Now,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=I2eFKNGm,comment-id=00070001000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-05-19T02:19:25.016+0000)
So she should be untouchable by skirmishers and bruisers?
She's not untouchable.
Play anyone that can get on her quickly or CC her and she's toast. Just make sure to do so once she's burned her ult, which at rank 1 is on a 140 second cooldown. If she has no ult she is incredibly easy to single out and CC.
Asayake 5150glow2 votesShe's not untouchable.
Play anyone that can get on her quickly or CC her and she's toast. Just make sure to do so once she's burned her ult, which at rank 1 is on a 140 second cooldown. If she has no ult she is incredibly easy to single out and CC.
How the fuck do you make her burn her ult before jumping on her???
SpookyNeedle2 votes
Also is super bad at chasing unless they are close enough for the ult + E to actually root
Joxcab29 votesThere's this magical thing called don't stand in front of the fucking feathers, who knew?
You forgot to include "No proof. No back up." with your first two sentence blurbs.
She is one of the most balanced ADCs in the entire game, as well as one of the easiest to crush. Stop QQ.
Çhåryzård12 votesThere's this magical thing called don't stand in front of the fucking feathers, who knew?
You forgot to include "No proof. No back up." with your first two sentence blurbs.
She is one of the most balanced ADCs in the entire game, as well as one of the easiest to crush. Stop QQ.
- Short AA range.
- Passive relies on using abilities to trigger it.
- Abilities have extremely high mana costs early.
- All-in relies entirely on E. No root = no possible all-in.
- E cooldown is extremely long early.
- E is avoidable by simply not standing in front of 3+ feathers.
- Feathers literally staying on the field shows you the dangerous zones.
- Ultimate is on an extremely long cooldown.
- Ultimate is her only strong all-in.
- Ultimate is her only safety/mobility/escape tool.
- She is extremely immobile.
- Poor waveclear early.
This is the gameplay boards there is no use in trying
AmazoX4 votesSmartest thing I've read on the boards today.
13900 Essence4 votesI think people are complaining because she scales extremely well into late-game, like, jinx levels of late-game. Since it is a newer champion, they don't understand that, and when they die to the full build Xayah when they didn't build any armor, they start crying.
Janna mìd3 votesAbilities have extremely high mana costs early.
Uh do you actually play other champions that have mana costs ? Cuz her mana costs are actually low.
E cooldown is extremely long early
Same, 12s is far from long, let's take for example taliyah, she got 2 spells with a 16s cd (and 70 and 90 mana level 1), so 12s and no spell above 60 mana is actually low
Ultimate is on an extremely long cooldown.
140 to 110 is not extremely long it's almost average
Ultimate is her only safety/mobility/escape tool.
Her W offers mobility aswell
Poor waveclear early.
Even early her waveclear is really good for an adc
Lyndris2 votes12.Poor wave clear early
I'd like to debate this, while not great proper feather aim can significantly help with that. Although i guess i will have to submit it is still on the lower end
Danjeng5 votesThe word extremely is thrown out a lot. She does not have extremely high mana costs. Her ultimate's cooldown is on the longer side, but appropriate for what it does.
Listing out a champion's weaknesses to show how weak they are, isn't any better than listing out strengths to show broken-ness.
Joxcab2 votesHer mana costs are undeniably extremely high. Her cooldown on ultimate is one of the longest in the game outside of like Karthus ultimate. It's her only safety or escape or mobility tool. It's easy as hell to punish her without it.
The weaknesses show all the ways to beat her lmao. They literally include all the way to play around or avoid her strengths altogether.
Sozan56 votesHer mana costs are undeniably extremely high.
50, 60 and 40 isn't extremely high. It's average, at worst. But it's always important to look at the whole picture - Xayah base mana is on the high end and her mana regen is 16th best in the game. In other words - as long as you don't mindlessly spam abilities for no reason - you will not run out of mana.
Anyways, I mostly wanted to cover this part:
Poor waveclear early.
Because this is simply false. With her Q and passive she has a decent waveclear since level 1, and it gets significantly better the moment she got E - I believe she might have one the best, if not THE best, waveclear from all ADCs early.
Also, her cooldowns outside of her ultimate are on the short side, so no idea where did you get that "Extremely long CD on E" from. 12 seconds for an ability that can snare isn't long - it's normal, if not short (mind you, this is rank 1).
As it is right now - Xayah kit certainly has weaknesses, and it's a working one (unlike some other designs coughKalistacough), but I fear it is overtuned as far as numbers go. You'll see in a week or so, with more Xayah players getting hang of her (and her winrate is increasing fast, especially in higher ranks), that she needs some nerfs. What kind of nerfs - I'm not sure (I have some idea, but there's no need for me to post them, Rito will figure something out). I just hope they will just straight up nerf her damage output rather than unique strengths.
SpookyNeedle2 votesThere's this magical thing called don't stand in front of the fucking feathers, who knew?
You forgot to include "No proof. No back up." with your first two sentence blurbs.
She is one of the most balanced ADCs in the entire game, as well as one of the easiest to crush. Stop QQ.
- Short AA range.
- Passive relies on using abilities to trigger it.
- Abilities have extremely high mana costs early.
- All-in relies entirely on E. No root = no possible all-in.
- E cooldown is extremely long early.
- E is avoidable by simply not standing in front of 3+ feathers.
- Feathers literally staying on the field shows you the dangerous zones.
- Ultimate is on an extremely long cooldown.
- Ultimate is her only strong all-in.
- Ultimate is her only safety/mobility/escape tool.
- She is extremely immobile.
- Poor waveclear early.
I like you
Sexy Jack Rabbit2 votesHer wave-clear isn't bad though? It's about on par with a lot of other marksman due to the pierce/feather mechanic. If anything her wave-clear is great.
AmazoX13 votesGiven how immobile and fragile she is, If you turn the pressure up on her, She'll pop off like a bug.
P.S: I never played her, Only against her, I find her perfectly balanced.
Blåbæret5 votesFragile? She has untargetability rofl. She's more difficult to kill than pretty much everyy other ADC out there.
AmazoX6 votesThat's just your opinion, IMO Vayne, Sivir, Ezreal & Caitlyn are harder to kill than Xayah.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku3 votesI agree... except Sivir.
Ralanr2 votesIdk, spellshield is a bitch.
AmazoX3 votesSivir's who know how to time that Spell shield make me feel s-h-I-t while respecting them at the same time.
Sexy Jack Rabbit2 votesThe worst part is on those off days where you throw a skillshot and go; "Oh wait n-" "Nice try" "uuuuuugh"
Legacy Hydralpha13 votesHer ultimate is the only thing that gives her untargetability, and that doesn't make her any less fragile. Just wait out the ultimate and burst her when she gets out of it.
TwitchInMyPants6 votesTry Ezreal or Varus vs her, its really fucking easy when you outrange the feathers. She's also immobile without W and incredibly ult dependant to not get rekt in fights.
DarkRitual4 votesJust stomped a Xayah/Rakan botlane duo. I was on Leona and had a Lucian backing me up. They were a combined 0/9/2 when we started to group up.
TwitchInMyPants3 votesJust stomped a Xayah/Rakan botlane duo. I was on Leona and had a Lucian backing me up. They were a combined 0/9/2 when we started to group up.
Yeah you can also just slap her shit before the feathers. I don't think you should always play Xayah with Rakan, he gives some bonuses but he's mainly a shielder with one cc. Not very good at stopping a diver in the early game pre6. She has to press q and auto to get a 1 player root off and if she uses it its on cd for 12-8s with no ER.
She has good trading but theres punish windows all over, if you walk to the side of her feathers after a q or something you split them up and force her to move closer to pull them all into a root or chase to attempt to plant feathers as her earlier ones become irrelevant. Really they're strongest in defensive zones.
Joxcab2 votesYep exactly. Hard CC supports are far better. She needs someone tanky to frontline for her in her weaker laning. Hard aggressive engage supports are also good.
Thresh, Blitzcrank, Leona, Alistar, etc.
Cosmic Warper5 votesRecently lost against xayah? Time to go to boards and whine
Sir Fuzzi4 votesYou mean she punishes low mobility?
Better pick low mobility into her.
Arcus Diabolus2 votesEven if she's strong, the damage on her E could be easily adjusted to do less damage for each feather after the first like Azir's soldiers.
Joxcab2 votesThis is already a thing though. It has been since release.
Each successive feather after the first deals 10% less damage, down to a minimum of 10% damage of the original first feather.
AtheosisX2 votesHer stats don't presently seem to support the notion her damage is too high.
Pater Gascoigne1 votesImo she has an insane power spike with just a BF sword. One E easily takes of half HP and please don't tell me to "avoid feathers". She presses Q and auto attacks you with an immediate E. The only support who can avoid those feathers is Rakan since he has 2 dashes. Other than that I think she is fairly balanced.
DarkRitual7 votesYou can still avoid feathers. And to be honest, you mostly just need to avoid places where you'll get hit by three or more.
Plenty of other supports can keep away from them too. Anyone with ranged attacks, for starters.
DuskDaUmbreon5 votesHell. I can even dodge them as Leona. You don't need to even be ranged to avoid autos she doesn't use on you specifically.