according to Op.gg Illaoi's with more than 125 games played on the champion are sitting at a neat 68.77% winrate in plat elo and above. That is, to be honest, retardedly high. And having played against some of these people I know it's not just because people don't know what to do against the champ. Can we expect nerfs? or will she continue being an uber pog champ, who steamrolls across certain compositions and champs?
Sahn Uzal8 votesCheck Support Sion.
UkeNeverSeme2 votesdefinately strong for unintended reasons (that ridiculous synergy with Jhin), but i don't think it's quite up there with e max illaoi into melee matchups. The pure lack of counterplay for melee tops into the champion, combined with a very probable 1v2 after 6 if jungle attention is provided is toxic as hell to the game.
Sahn Uzal8 votesThe point I'm proving is that Winrate really doesn't tell you a lot. Karthus top had a 58% winrate a while ago. Not Karthus mains, Karthus in general
trash sion7 votesRead the fine print.
(2014-2015 Ranked Experience)
No one plays 125+ games in one patch. This data is from all of last year, it isn't current.
It has nothing to do with her current winrate.
Critmaster Garen5 votes[{quoted}](name=Azuk the Jungler,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HudA4KoH,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-09-28T15:44:15.374+0000)
Read the fine print.
(2014-2015 Ranked Experience)
No one plays 125+ games in one patch. This data is from all of last year, it isn't current.
It has nothing to do with her current winrate.
the data is from this patch cycle.
people who have played 125+ games on illaoi since 2014 have achieved a 68% winrate this patch. champion.gg usually collects data over a week with every patch release before publishing results.
the real question is, how many people is that? because if its just 2 or 3 people, then the data isnt reliable. but given that far more than 10.000 games have ben analyzed, it should be fairly accurate.
trash sion5 votesEDIT: And a 7.53% winrate on Mordekaiser mid players with 125+ games. Still no idea why we're hung up on this random and seemingly meaningless data.
And Corki players with 125+ games have a 19.27% winrate? Does that seem right?
There's an issue with the data here, there's no way that there are these huge discrepancies.
DrCyanide1 votesWhere are you pulling your stats from? Not champion.gg
Mordekaiser Mid at 125+ games has a 59% win rate Corki ADC with 125+ games is at 62% Corki Mid with 125+ games is at 48%
Astôlfo1 voteschampion.gg means jackshit right now.
Winrate numbers have been changing almost every few hours/days.
trash sion1 votesInfo updated. Illaoi is now down to 57% at 125+, back in normal range. I was certain it was some data flaw.
Ralanr5 votesWhat's the playerbase?
Astôlfo4 votesNot this shit again. Stop trying to repwhore when you don't even realize there's no meaningful samplesize.
UkeNeverSeme1 votespretty sure illaoi has a decent samplesize, since she's quite popular, and particularly among people who play a LOT of illaoi.
Astôlfo1 votesUh, and then you realize you're wrong. Also 6.19 came out like just barely a week ago. And if you'd actually bother to check again, you'd realize champion.gg has changed again to show it's 57% something. Because... y'know... there's no significant sample size at all? Same with every other champion as well, as well as the other small sample size champions that had winrates of like 80-100%.
Buff Jax please2 votes_Bro you just dont know how to play against her xD _ Why do you fight her in her ult? xD
Let the Bronze Illaoi mains tell you why their champ is not overpowered.
Critmaster Garen6 votes[{quoted}](name=Buff Jax please,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HudA4KoH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-09-28T15:23:34.889+0000)
_Bro you just dont know how to play against her xD _ Why do you fight her in her ult? xD
Let the Bronze Illaoi mains tell you why their champ is not overpowered.
i dont think shes overpowered. shes just binary. she has over 60% winrate on champions she counters, and below 40% winrate against champions that counter her.
her mains know these matchups and only pick her into winning games, which naturally results in a very high winrate for those players.
if you look further into her statistics, youll see that she gets destroyed by mostly ranged champions who can take her tentacles out without efford and wins against slow melee champions.
i think she needs to be made better against ranged matchups, and then overall tuned down during the lane phase. they should change her tentacles to be visible from outside bushes, but not targetable. so ranged champions have to get as close to them to take them out as melee champions.
her second problem is, that shes extremely stong only in lane and then drops off like a rock mid to lategame.
Buff Jax please1 votesYeah you are right but lets be real here. Her winning matchups are ALL melee toplaners except Tryndamere. Don't you think there is something wrong with that?
Ralanr5 votesIsn't that similar to the Darius problem though? Absolutely destroys people who can only trade in melee?
Buff Jax please2 votesNo...Darius actually loses quite a few matchups. For example Riven is very good vs him because she can dictate trades in lane and easily avoid his Q heal and he basically never has a chance to get 5 bleed stacks on her and proc his passive if she plays it right.
Jax also is pretty good vs him if you play it a bit safe in the early levels, you can leap to him with Q to avoid the additional dmg + bleed from his aswell as denying him the Q heal and if you use your E correctly you also doge his W and then the trade is won.
I also take ghost vs him so he can't kite me with the movement speed from Phage/Black Cleaver
Fiora also can shit on him hard if she times her Riposte correctly, really is up the Fiora player though, She has all the tools in her kit to destroy Darius.
Ralanr4 votesOk. I usually have massive problems with Darius's passive in lane that I find myself unable to fight him.
I don't normally have that problem with Illaoi. Though her lane damage does ramp up and fights become more dangerous as she levels up.
Buff Jax please2 votesWho do you play against Darius? He definitely has alot of matchups which he flat out dominates, I don't blame you for feeling that way.
Illaoi is basically impossible to fight as a melee, you can kill her tentacles but it puts you at a high risk of getting chunked and if you ever step infront of your minions, which you need at some point or you miss cs, you get hit by her E and then you can't lane for half a minute.
Ralanr2 votesSion. Which is probably why I can do ok vs Illaoi.
Teémò1 votesThere's no greater feeling then watching fiora block a darius or chogath ult Although I still feel like annie beats darius like a teemo beats renekton :P
Ralanr1 votesTeemo can beat nearly anyone if you understand how kiting works. Imo.
Teémò1 votesThe point was that as long as Teemo blocks his auto empowered stun he has no way of trading with Teemo and will get completely zoned away from cs to where the supports can actually have more gold then him theoretically sp long as teemo keeps him off the minnion waves.
UkeNeverSeme2 votesI know that, point is not that shes overpowered, point is shes toxic to the game, and honestly needs to be mordekaisered.
Ralanr5 votesI wouldn't say she's toxic.
Buff Jax please2 votesBest thing will be the comments from people trying to explain the winrate which is gathered from ranked games played in platinum or higher when they have never played higher than Silver lmao.
Sightless665 votesWell, my explanation is that the 125+ winrate data has too much variance to be trusted. This stat varies waaaay too much on a patch by patch basis. Last patch, 125+ games for Illaoi had a 60% winrate. I know that 3-4 months ago, it was 52%. On some of my champions (Skarner for example) the winrate jumps and falls 5-8% on a seemingly random basis. The only conclusion I can draw here is that our sampling for this stat just generally isn't sufficient. We can't trust it to be accurate.
Illaoi may or may not be too strong. I am making no argument about that point because I honestly don't know. My point is only the 125+ statistic is unfortunately a terrible way of assessing that.
Teémò1 votes
make them suffer, give them pain.farm win lane there illaoi is now worthless. Find the gnar do the same :P