is stupid enough, getting my healing neutered because a runaan bolt happened to hit me or because someone auto'd me once or because a random AD spell tagged me in its AOE is stupid
so why are we adding equally non-conditional GW application to 
? just nerf lifesteal, damn, we don't need it in the absurd quantities it exists in, especially after riot made so many items that let supports and tanks heal/shield their entire team
DeusVult19 votesTanks need a way to deal with lifesteal, hence the change
I feel bad for the "drain-tank" champs 
who are getting indirect nerfs because 
etc are unkillable with 2+ lifesteal items and can tower-dive with ease
OHminus1 votes
: feelsbadman
Big Lincoln2 votesis vlad going to auto attack?
Papa Andrei2 votesYes actually, he does quite a bit.
Jet Sett3 votesIf you don't mix in autos between your E and Q you won't proc Thunderlord's in the first rotation. Depending on the stage of the game the damage you get from autos is pretty noticeable.
PePsiLemoNN1 votesProbably nobody will get the new thornmail 1st or 2nd item and after that point basic attack damage won't really matter when his Q has a 3s CD
Ralanr1 votesI might. But I personally hate Vlad to the point where I'll grab executioners first back as Darius top against him.
It doesn't have much of a downside.
Tragulon1 votesIf you don't mix in autos between your E and Q you won't proc Thunderlord's in the first rotation. Depending on the stage of the game the damage you get from autos is pretty noticeable.
This only applies to Vladimirs who run Thunderlord's though. Stormraider's is a popular keystone on Vlad, Deathfire Touch can be used and Windspeaker's apparently works as far as I know with the increased healing.
Salson2 votesBut this implementation is so....brain dead. Why not make it an active item like Randuins, that actually rewards correct use of the item.
HateDaddy2 votesTanks need a way to deal with lifesteal, hence the change
I feel bad for the "drain-tank" champs
Tanks deal with lifesteal by building armor. Armor greatly reduces lifesteal. If lifesteal is actually too good, then nerf it. Don't introduce an item that shits on fighters even more.
zxinferxz1 votesAs a Mundo main, I'm used to getting up to 3 ignites per game in the enemy team, also used to having GW on me literally 100% of the time, so I genuinely don't care about it, in fact, I'm glad it's getting added, that way I don't have to bring ignite if I want an early GW source
MavenSong5 votesI agree in general on this tbh. If GW is going to be a thing it shouldnt just be a tacked on thing. At least on 
you need them to be below a threshhold, even if the item itself is too core on most mages for my liking.
SchmidttyGames1 votesMages applying Grievous Wounds never really fit for me. If anything, they should get some sort of "spell shock" effect that hinders mana regen, or reduces it to zero for a duration. Would be fun to use against blue-buffed mid-laners.
Thornmail isn't the real issue with this new item. The 900 gold Bramble Vest with the same effect is the real problem.
DJMason881 votesI don't think they will ever make a mana effecting ability that works on enemies, because not everyone uses mana.
xWaters3 votesi forgot this impacts more than just adcs. nerf lifesteal items is the solution.
Clementine3 votesI'm literally crying
Total Eclipse3 votesIMO grievous wounds on the AD item is just so uninteractive. Morello's is ok because it's like the nail in your coffin but the AD item is way too free procs
WinTheWarOnPants2 votesIdk of this specific change, but i like the general direction of making grievous wound a SUP debuff rather that a carry debuff. giving sups more ways to debuff enemies like grievous wounds or reducing defenses on enemies gives them a more active role in the game. IMO and should have their grievous wound removed and it should be put on items like 
that applies it in an AOE for sups that can't dive into fights, or 
for caster sups that can apply it directly(numbers would obviously be different( like AP removed, but passive applies a def debuff and grievous wounds).
SweedishGunner2 votesSo as a midlaner I now have no way of stopping ADC healing without taking ignite? Doesn't sound that well thought out, plus Morello is only situational Grevious wounds.
WinTheWarOnPants1 votesLet's not pretend Morello is picked for it's grievous wounds more than like 2% of the time. Morrello is picked becuase it's the best AP item in the game with no real competition. also,
mid every game anyway(generally).(one of few mids that don't take morrello BTW), you either don't have to worry about it early(because they don't have enough lifesteal yet) or your sup should be grouping to apply the debuff.Of the all 6 AD mids only 2 have show up in their builds(as the last item for both).
Lifesteal needs some work outside of these changes, and obviously things will need to be addressed depending on how it affects the game.
IMO both life-steal and grievous wounds are something you should be consciously thinking about rather than it being incidental ragarless the healing/greavous wounds of the enemy like 
are right now.
Death by Glamour1 votesI completely agree with you but such a change would need to happen in the mid or pre season it's a pretty hefty change to itemisation.
Rexxiee1 votesIdk about you but i dont want my sustain being reliant on my support buying overpowered items.
Lifesteal items are fine other than DD who needs a slight nerf, support itemization needs to decently nerfed too.
Big Lincoln1 votesi would be fine with it if all these changes weren't compounded. lifesteal/AD has improved, crit builds come online a little bit sooner (which was necessary, the game is being made to end faster), and support items have been getting stronger and stronger. it's all just too much right now and could be dialed back a little bit
but if it came down to letting rammus and malphite have grievous wounds easily accessible and nerfing sustain i would gladly choose the latter
AirKingNeo1 votesGW is like Phantom Hit. Phantom Hit can't be balanced unless you change the champion's kit (their onhit) to base around it. Similarly, GW can't be balanced because it effects healing within kits, making it very hit or miss.
On a side note, I seem the boards have other people than me to preach sense into people!
Only Play Darius1 votesWell I like how thornmail now has HP and you can get a reflect item for 900G
ChaosThief1 votesI really do wish that they would make lifesteal and healing more interactive. At the current moment and time though, thornmail will have to deal with this change since it appears marksmen will not be changed for a while.
Akali is SO HOT1 votes
l Dárius l1 votesi cant wait for all the tanks to be building this when im playing darius teamfighting is gonna be even more fun HAHahHAHahahH
fuck me
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votes[slayer-pantheon-popcorn] Good bye 
... ahhahahah
But tbh i prefer battle against Juggernaut than... tank.
Ralanr1 votesI'm ok with nerfing healing in general.
Jorencice1 votesI'm so fucking confused.
Rather than force an opponent to build an item to lower your life steal thus limiting their combat effectiveness.
You want them to just flat out nerf your life steal so you opponents can build a better item instead?
What the fuck is going on this is like the 4th nonsense thread about this. Why the fuck does everyone want to just nerf their own champions.
Instead of last whisper existing riot should just lower all armor by 40%
Instead of ninja tabis that everyone buys anyway we should just make everyone take 10% less damage from autos...
Fuck it let's just remove all items from the game and make every ability do exactly the same damage.
Skias1 votesMake Lifesteal take effort and we can agree. Until then, a no effort stat has gotten a no effort solution. I don't see the problem.