To those who say yj is braindead/op

d4rkshock··2 votes·862 views

No champion is braindead. They may be easy to play but you are more focused on game knowledge rather than making flashy plays. Hwres a video explaining ithttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aoYEJ10uhD4. If you say someone is bad for using an easy champion, your argument is invalid. Infact, they are learning the game more so they can climb. You don't need to play something like Elise or lee sin to climb out of bronze. If you don't like you, just ban him. Ill just go Jax or shyvana in that case. Every should be a learning experience. If it's in the game, use of it is valid. Same for the Aug, auto sniper, or sg 553 in csgo. Secondly the counterplay is hard cc.anything that isn't a slow. If you stun him, you can kill him. Some good examples of champions who do it easy are xin zhao, pantheon, and jax. Your mid can burst him. There's also worse. Pantheon is even easier and cancer in lane. He has no skillshots and can burst people in the early game. He just 1 shots/2 shots squishy champions. yi's q can be used for different things than just gapclosing. It can be used to redirect tower agro onto your tank, wave clear, or dodge skillshots. You got to think about when you use your q in fights. It might just save your life. sure it's point and click and you just got to right click but there's more to it than spam mouse 2. Also-ran f your playstyle doesn't match, you will feed. I remember I wasn't good as yi when I first started playing ranked but I was a god at shyvana who is now one of my backups since she's tank yi basically. She just gets her on hit effects running on you and right click you until you die.

17 Comments

Glîtchy8 votes

"Hard CC is the effective counterplay"

This applies to 95% of champs.

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

Hard CC is better against squishies. Ofc you can still use it on tanks and bruisers to get them off your back line but you can't blow them up while they're stunned like you can for a glass cannon.

That's part of the reason bruiser yi was so cancerous; he still did damage but didn't die instantly when you locked him down properly.

Glîtchy1 votes

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Hard CC is better against squishies. Ofc you can still use it on tanks and bruisers to get them off your back line but you can't blow them up while they're stunned like you can for a glass cannon.

That's part of the reason bruiser yi was so cancerous; he still did damage but didn't die instantly when you locked him down properly.

Please don't mention bruiser Yi....

Oh gosh here come the Vietnam flashbacks

Ben SwoIo4 votes

Nah, he's brain dead.

d4rkshock1 votes

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Nah, he's brain dead.

No champion is braindead. Some are easy but none are braindead.

Ben SwoIo1 votes

I use Yi, I have a mastery 7 on him along with Trynd. I'm willing to admit, they're brain dead. I don't use them much because they're also boring af. Mostly just smacking things with autos. Brain dead.

NinjaGuy693 votes

No champion is braindead.

You are grossly misinformed.

Akali Alistar Annie Garen Janna Katarina Kayle Lulu Malphite Malzahar MasterYi Nunu Pantheon Rammus Singed Sona Soraka Soraka Soraka Soraka Teemo Volibear MonkeyKing XinZhao

You could argue for several other champions as well. Champions like Master Yi are examples of why Riot has been moving towards making a lot of the more recent champions more difficult to play because they (rightfully) value skill expression in their game. Master Yi is the poster child for champions that lack skill expression.

d4rkshock3 votes

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You are grossly misinformed.

Akali Alistar Annie Garen Janna Katarina Kayle Lulu Malphite Malzahar MasterYi Nunu Pantheon Rammus Singed Sona Soraka Soraka Soraka Soraka Teemo Volibear MonkeyKing XinZhao

You could argue for several other champions as well. Champions like Master Yi are examples of why Riot has been moving towards making a lot of the more recent champions more difficult to play because they (rightfully) value skill expression in their game. Master Yi is the poster child for champions that lack skill expression.

They are doing that to make them more interesting and fun to play. Some champions are easy but none are braindead. Also they still need champions that are good for new players. That can't just scrap them all. For instance, they need to keep garen, Annie, etc so the players who want to learn the game can learn it and then develop their skill through game knowledge then eventually mechanics.

NinjaGuy691 votes

I'm well aware that there are certain champions (like Garen and Annie) who are meant for newer players because they're easy to learn and play. I never said there was anything wrong with that. I'm just saying that they're braindead...because they are. They don't require very much mechanical skill nor do they force the player to engage in critical decision making. This is fine for some champions but many of them need to be reworked.

d4rkshock1 votes

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I'm well aware that there are certain champions (like Garen and Annie) who are meant for newer players because they're easy to learn and play. I never said there was anything wrong with that. I'm just saying that they're braindead...because they are. They don't require very much mechanical skill nor do they force the player to engage in critical decision making. This is fine for some champions but many of them need to be reworked.

Only 6 out of the 21 you listed are on the rework list. Most of them are on the list because their kits just didn't age well like rammus and nunu or were too powerful to be considered healthy like swain. Also Katarina is not a no skill champion. Easy to learn but hard to master. A Katarina pentakill may look like a faceroll but it's not. There is a gap beteween a new Katarina and a Katarina otp. The champions that don't need reworks that do get them are to make them more interesting and fun to play. The idea is every champion regardless of skill cap takes skill in one way or another. Some require good game knowledge and others require good mechanics. Sometimes it's both.

waiting for WoW1 votes

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You are grossly misinformed.

Akali Alistar Annie Garen Janna Katarina Kayle Lulu Malphite Malzahar MasterYi Nunu Pantheon Rammus Singed Sona Soraka Soraka Soraka Soraka Teemo Volibear MonkeyKing XinZhao

You could argue for several other champions as well. Champions like Master Yi are examples of why Riot has been moving towards making a lot of the more recent champions more difficult to play because they (rightfully) value skill expression in their game. Master Yi is the poster child for champions that lack skill expression.

Did you really mention braindead champions without mentioning Swain

NinjaGuy691 votes

It was just a quick list that I threw together. You could add him to that list if you'd like.

d4rkshock1 votes

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It was just a quick list that I threw together. You could add him to that list if you'd like.

He's one of the champions on the rework list because his ult is o strong too or weak.

Ben SwoIo1 votes

Good list, just remove Katarina Alistar Sona and add Tryndamere Blitzcrank Heimerdinger Chogath Yasuo

Rockm Sockm1 votes

We hate yi and call him braindead because yi players are.

He attracts a certain personality and the people think they carry.

News flash.....if we won with a yi we would of won regardless of who the jungle was.

d4rkshock1 votes

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We hate yi and call him braindead because yi players are.

He attracts a certain personality and the people think they carry.

News flash.....if we won with a yi we would of won regardless of who the jungle was.

Basically my point. As long as it's a good carry jg since the meta is tank jg's that person would've carried. The only real carry it that comes to mind that top tier champion and s Warwick. The other carry jg's you see are your classic low elo carry jg's.

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