Champions that don't allow you to fight back are the problem

Tomosima·Feb 5, 2017·1 votes·501 views

Champions like and others have one thing in common they all PREVENT you to fight back unless you got hard CC or the ulti from Camille.

That is the main reason FIora was reworked cause her ulti offered no way to fight her. The inability to auto attack a jumping around Riven doing mini knock ups and stuns and on top of that she has a shield and burst is SUPER frustrating. Same thing with Yasuo and others, being powerless to fight back is the problem in this game.

11 Comments

ZephyrDrakeFeb 5, 20172 votes

uhh what? so we should rework the entire roster if that's the case. Every champion has it's own counterplay methods and their own way for you to fight back against them. Don't come here and complain because you cannot simply go to their faces and mash buttons and hope to win every single time just because you could do it against some other champion

TomosimaFeb 5, 20171 votes

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uhh what? so we should rework the entire roster if that's the case. Every champion has it's own counterplay methods and their own way for you to fight back against them. Don't come here and complain because you cannot simply go to their faces and mash buttons and hope to win every single time just because you could do it against some other champion

But if you see the pattern all these champions are problematic and have or had huge ban rates and are often the talking point on the boards, and champions like Sion yes he was a bit over tuned after his rework but generally never cancerous to fight.

ZephyrDrakeFeb 5, 20172 votes

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But if you see the pattern all these champions are problematic and have or had huge ban rates and are often the talking point on the boards, and champions like yes he was a bit over tuned after his rework but generally never cancerous to fight.

people complain about Garen of all champions in this board, hell i think i saw someone complaining about Mordekaiser the other day! People will complain about anything that beats them even if they are the most balanced and fair of champions in the game. So someone complaining about them in the boards isn't really anything new and there are a lot of champions that get banned simply because either they are new, overtuned, they just don't want to play against them or they are planning on picking a very specific champion that they just want one of their counters gone.

Not every single champion has the same counterplay to them and when people are forced to think they immediately start calling them all sorts of things because what everyone wants is for every single champion in the game to have the exact same counterplay no matter what their kits may be

Mecha MaIphiteFeb 5, 20171 votes

Mordekaiser is terribly designed though. Either he just gets kited to oblivion or he forced you to go nowhere near him.

BakataumanaFeb 5, 20171 votes

play galio?

TomosimaFeb 5, 20171 votes

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play galio?

Probably i will after he gets the rework.

BakataumanaFeb 5, 20171 votes

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Probably i will after he gets the rework.

personally i wish they would stop the rework.. in his current stat he can easily deal with everyone one of those champions mid to late game and has the range to farm it out and survive early game if you build properly and for each situation.

PoskeFeb 5, 20171 votes

I actually partialy agree with a guy

All champions who cant fight back in high elo such as mordekaiser garen xin zhao are trash tier

The problem isnt In Riven,Yasuo,Vayne,le blanc though

Problem is in the other Straightforward champion kits Who counter themself and are utterly useless unless you let them to be useful

This is going to get fixed partialy by 2020 judging by Riot rework speed

TomosimaFeb 5, 20171 votes

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I actually partialy agree with a guy

All champions who cant fight back in high elo such as mordekaiser garen xin zhao are trash tier

The problem isnt In Riven,Yasuo,Vayne,le blanc though

Problem is in the other Straightforward champion kits Who counter themself and are utterly useless unless you let them to be useful

This is going to get fixed partialy by 2020 judging by Riot rework speed

Yup or you can look at it that way champions that cant fight these are trash