Which pre reworked champion do you miss the most?
The one i miss the most is definitely Shen, he was so much fun the new Shen just doesn't do anything for me.
The one i miss the most is definitely Shen, he was so much fun the new Shen just doesn't do anything for me.
Without a doubt. I still love her, but given the chance I'd take back the old Quinn and Valor any day. Now it's just Quinn and guest star taxi bird.
Definitely agreed, I miss playing Valor. :(
Originally the two were even named Quinn and Valor as well though right now, Valor hardly feels like his own character at all.
mordekaiser
this rework blows dick
1.
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(the original release version)
3. 
And as an honerable mention in terms of art/story/character
, his gameplay update was fine, but for me, his reworke was a horrible loss of an interesting character.
Though all in all the better question would be which reworked champ i don't miss...for me, most reworks failed so far. The either imo failed to capture the previous champ properly, resulting in a maybe great new champ but therefor a pure loss regardeing the old one, or they failed to actually change anything meaningfull, resulting in exactly the same issues that basically caused the rework so the rework was basically pointless, or story and art fail for me...The only reworks i'm really happy with are Sion and Anivia so far, and the once that i'm failry happy with are Poppy, WW and Brand
His story update was so lame. He had a GREAT history and they ruined it.
I miss
and
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They turned Malz into a minion-centric champion and took away the part of Xerath's kit that made him feel really unique to me.
Xerath was BS before his rework. All you needed to do is tag a fool with his stun and threaten if they engage, you'll dump entire damage on them in those 2 seconds and 100-0 them.
if they had no range, maybe, but xerath was much harder than some people make him appear to be
hes a stupid support now
Tbh the most I miss is
before her rework. I miss healing allies and murdering the hell out of people with the carefully planed use of... Shields (R + E twice). Tbh she was pretty cool like she was and only need to change her W. Today? She's pretty much either OP on organized play, or a burden on solo play because of her horrendous decay late game (Pretty much near useless If you don't get enough AP to one shot of half-shot people away with R + Q), although her numbers are actually pretty high.
I also kinda miss
before her rework on patch 4.13 - although I remember distinctly about people bitching all day If i ever picked her on ranked. (You could Q so many times before people get bored, I guess.) DJ Sona didn't even exist back on those days soo... it isn't like I could complain too much, lol. At least she actually has a skill curve and You can distinguish good ones from really, really bad ones. The only thing I hate from her kit today is the Rank 1 Heal - 35 healing for 80 mana, weee. Kinda offset by the shield. She also seems to still not be used very much on LCS.
too... I dislike his ult at the moment. It's made pretty much for organized play and requires WAY too much timing, and I think it needs to be tweaked or changed to something else (Because, oh, you ult and the enemy team so easily runs away until it wears off). At least he no longer is a "ball of stats", but Shatter and Radiance were thematically cool. And OP, kinda. I used to go top with him xD. These days before, at least his Q actually healed something, rather than being dispersed over five allies.

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I feel ur pain I miss her 2 specifically her old W x.x
;u; and giving mana to friends
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HAVE SOME MANA
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HAVE SOME MANA
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HAVE SOME MANA
Stfu raka I don't need mana
FK YOU HAVE SOME MANA
FIORA! RIOT PLEASE DO SOMETHING AND BRING HER BACKKKKKK PELASEEEEEEE NERF HER TO THE GROUND I DONT CARE, JUST BRING THAT CHAMPION BACK! I WANT TO PLAY IT. MAKE IT SO WEAK THAT ITS GONNA BE VIABLE ONLY VS BOTS IDC BUT PLEASE BRING IT BACKKKKKKKKKKKKK ILL PAY U
for sure. I feel like his rework made him less fun to play and less fun to play against. His slicey skillshot Q noise sounds much worse than the old one and his new w has been a mess. I'm not saying old rengar was perfect. In fact, he was far from it, but at least the person playing him had fun and he would go down if he mispositioned or he mistimed his approach. This version seems like a downgrade for the hunter and his victim. [zombie-nunu-tears]
Graves... I used to main him ADC Until he hot reworked into a fucking jungler who can't even auto through minions
definitly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHDqI4ySCYk
watching this, with the assassin's creed music made me realise that new talon is way a shadow of old talon Old good talon that fell off in late game, countered mages, and fit with wombo combo teams now with new talon, Their gameplay is in my own opinion too different

[zombie-nunu-bummed] Mhm. Nothing like losing your favourite champion permanently.
Karma. Her rework opened the door and made Riot think that gutting a character's story and motivations on top of watering down the kit to be more "straightforward" was the correct route to take.
It was stupidly fun running around yelling "YAR HAR" and then just shooting them.
Since I've seen a similar Thread some time ago it's easy for me:
: He is one the worse reworks they made. They took away his signature Spell made his stun one the most boring abilities in the game and changed his lighting(ish) Spells into blue bobbles... so freaking sad... q.q
For me worst part of the rework was that his spells look shitty. He used to be an icon of power, every spell looked like its gonna rip you to pieces. His animations after rework sucks. SUCKS! Just look at him wobbling while casting his Q, flying blue shit is what his E looks like, his W animations goes so fast i never able to see what is it, and hi ult... Don tell me these little bubbles are thrown by creature of ultimate power. I understand gameplay reasons, but still, at least you could give them decent animation to feel impactful. That's just shame.

He was actually pretty fun to play toplane. Once you had some CDR you could stunlock people.
: "whats a valor?....oh you mean my ult speed boost?"
I miss when it was Quinn AND Valor...not just Quinn and a speed boost bird. I used to run sated/devourer on Quinn and just nuke people with Valor XD
: I also kinda miss her old ult, and even tho she's one of my favorite champions......% health true damage is really dumb.
Karma. Full AP could survive for ages while healing and dealing damage with RQ. And those Fans _
:I i was level 5 on both of them, then i got reworked. I cant stand playing either any more, especially Shen.
Old
was one of my top 2 most played, I miss how smooth his old E felt to use. The damage and amount he healed for on his Q felt so much more consistent and significant, not like 2 semi-weak heals and then a strong heal.....assuming you even even get to 3rd Q something in his blood rush timing if there is no minion wave around...
number one, I feel like they remove her before she could shine. Claim she need gold to play support remove her then add support item. She can't lane against the meta poke mages, assassin mage soon follow. She would of stomp them.
Although I like the his rework I miss old 
And
it feel like Shen but at the same time it doesn't.
and 
These were what I got so drawn to when I started playing League and getting the hang of MOBAs all together. And although they are still mains of mine, the flexibility I had with them (Mid and Top Soraka and omni-role Taric) is something I just shed a tear to never having again. In URF context, Soraka was one of those demon tier champs in pre rework. Raining MR shredding starcalls and self healing with armor buffing....and a point click silence. So beautiful but deserving to be reworked.
Rip old Raka :(
She is my current favorite champion but I will always have a spot in my heart for old Karma. She has been my favorite champion since I've been playing and will never forget all the times I 1-shot enemies with my shield. Also I really loved her old tether, it was a lot more interesting because you could use it on allies or enemies and speed allies up or slow enemies down while damaging people who get hit by the tether itself.
Oh and 2 mantra stacks kreygasm

Along with Shen, I really miss pre rework 
I freaking loved the 40% mpen on his old w
as much as i like the new sion, the old sion being able to turn on the entire enemy team for a quadra kill was kindof funny.
i remember a game where i went with a full adc glass cannon build and just powerfarmed for shits and giggles. ended the game on 4k health with a build like this


I miss old Fiora!
Some say Fiora used to be just an ult with a pretty face, but at least she was fun to play. The new one is a mess to me.
She gave me my first ever penta too.
And people can't give grief about her old ultimate being overpowered, because that was exactly the same thing Master Yi still have.
I miss Karma's shield bomb.
Karma, Karma, Karma.... Oh and Karma
Taric - I still main him but there is something not right with this rework both in terms of gameplay and lore. Gameplay-wise old Taric was the closest thing we had to juggernaut-support and this playstyle was destroyed in his rework. Also his new ult is just booring and takes ~70% of his power budget. In terms of lore he was moved to Targon and did nothig there. He have no connections to other aspects, aurelion sol or Targon's story.
But the worst thing is that he talks more about stars and mountain than gems.
by far.
I loved Nuking enemies.
The Conal skillshot on Q was odd but fun.
I really like the Ally interaction on her W.
Her Shield Nuke on E.
Two Stacks on ult BBY.
I will always miss her~
Old Xerath was nice with his kit interaction. Punishing bad players but rewarding good players. Malzahar is another.
The most though? Graves. One of my favourite ADC turned into a ranged, melee, tanky dps, assassin, mage, tank support, jungler all wrapped in one defective man.
Does
Count as a rework (No more sustain, nerf dmg'd etc etc ) :(
my beloved poppy
And I didn't even play the game back then, but now his ult is kinda useless unless you have 3 stacks on someone.
If you didn't play him before, then how can you judge?
I don't think much has changed tbh
If you didn't play him before, then how can you judge?
I don't think much has changed tbh
Shen? He was like my second most played champion next to Olaf. Right now? i played his a total number of 2 times since they reworked him.
You should probably use Discussion view.
It makes it easier to track conversations.
omg you just blew my fucking mind away