Aatrox came out in 2013

Tomosima··109 votes·5,834 views

In 4 years i finished my medical school In 4 years you can learn at least 2 new languages In 4 years you can get married and have children In 4 years you can travel the whole earth In 3 years CD Projekt RED made and released The witcher 3 In 4 years id learn the necessary tools and remade the champion myself ffs

Let that sink in for a moment

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motherofallzebs217 votes

In 4 years u cant finish medical school.The only program that allows that is the Manchester university program, and i think its even 5 years not 4.

i just destroyed your argument point invalid.

GULAG 4 U2 votes

Well what about proving yourself with proof?

motherofallzebs226 votes

My biggest proof is Aatrox he wasn't reworked till now, because people who are working at him are still at med school.

Duuuuuh.

Tomosima17 votes

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In 4 years u cant finish medical school.The only program that allows that is the Manchester university program, and i think its even 5 years not 4.

i just destroyed your argument point invalid.

I finished medical high school which is 4 years in Bosnia doesn't really sound like something impressive but hey

motherofallzebs28 votes

Wait what ? :O Didn't you get pre med years ? Or you didnt count them :O Im medical student myself ^_^ but good job either way its a long way and u finished it.

Tomosima1 votes

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Wait what ? :O Didn't you get pre med years ? Or you didnt count them :O Im medical student myself ^_^ but good job either way its a long way and u finished it.

No idea what does it mean in America i finished high school general medicine which allows me to work as a nurse anything after this would go to university for a Doctor best i could explain it sorry

Morgan le Fey14 votes

In the US, "medical school" usually refers to much higher level education - the general assumption is full-fledged doctor or surgeon. While those aren't the only professions that go to med school by any means, it's a much longer and more expensive process than most any other educational path bar law. It's definitely not a high school thing - pre-med alone is generally 2 years of university-level work, and that's before you can even apply for med school proper in most cases.

RNs (registered nurses, as opposed to more specialized things like nurse practitioners or certain kinds of psych nurses) generally go to more traditional universities in the US. It's still hardly easy, but it's a whole order of magnitude off of what we call "med school", and it's a different program entirely rather than a "leveling up" system from nursing up to doctoring.

"Medical high school" is to my knowledge (which, granted, is limited, since I'm not in medicine myself) unheard of, as education for minors is usually very broad and general. There are special preparatory schools - private schools that try to prepare students for university-level work, which often have college-level courses and a handful of college credits built in - but none of them are going to count as a substitute for a university education at all.

Pyrophilia15 votes

As a linguist and translator I can responsibly tell you that one CANNOT, in fact, learn at least two new languages in the span of 4 years. You can dabble in 2 new languages and become familiar with 2 new languages.

You cannot properly learn even one.

But, yes. Riot is slow. Slower, at times, than a paraplegic snail.

GGLineaR2 votes

Their update and balance teams are practically glacial. How many people do they even have on those teams?

YOLO420SWAGSCOPE3 votes

i learned english and spoke it fluently in 16 months close enough

DWT123452 votes

Yeah, Riot's super slow. It took them an entire year to release 7 new champions, 3 champion updates, 2 class updates and 50 skins. Terrible developers.

Photos of Ghosts4 votes

7 new champions, 3 VGUs

That's the whole point. Fucked up priorities. You can't let a champ be unplayable for 3 of its 4 years of existence.

AlienPrimate3 votes

I went to college with someone from Korea who didn't start learning english until his 2nd year of high school. By freshman year of college he could fluently speak English without any noticeable accent. How do you explain that as a linguist?

Pyrophilia1 votes

I wouldn't explain it before meeting them in person and assessing myself what you proclaim to be fluent speaking of English.

AlienPrimate2 votes

"Without any noticeable accent" means that he sounds as if he grew up in the upper Midwest where I am from. If I didn't know he was Korean I would think he was born and raised here.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

Learn at school? No. Go live in a foreign country with a group of friends of another nationality? Absolutely,as long as you're bilingual from birth.

Pyrophilia1 votes

There is no such thing as being bilingual from birth... Guys... When you come out of your mum's belly, you DO NOT SPEAK any language at all. It takes a few years for a human to develop linguistic capacity...

Pyrophilia1 votes

I mean... If it's so obvious, don't say it then. Or is that also obvious to such an extreme that it doubles back around and becomes difficult to fathom?

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

What YOU said is obvious. "From birth" is OBVIOUSLY to be understood as "from the first time after birth" EVERY TIME it can't literally mean exactly from birth.

Pyrophilia1 votes

If you say so. But I don't agree. Implicature is not absolute.

Not xPeke4 votes

Time to find a new profession then I'm afraid ;) I've done it myself, it's definitely possible. I guess being bilingual from birth might help adapting to new languages.

Pyrophilia1 votes

Well, I operate with a professional definition of what it means to 'speak' a language, and I can tell you from experience that it's far less lenient than most people's. It's probably not a definition that applies to most people's view regarding languages (as laypersons).

Active use of two languages from a very young age is tremendously helpful. However, being bilingual from -birth- is not a thing, since one is not born with linguistic capacity and, as such, is not even monolingual from birth.

Not xPeke1 votes

I guess it depends on the subjective definition of "learning" a language though.

And yes, obviously not from birth, bad choice of words on my part, but you know what I meant.

Velzard of Koz2 votes

It's matter of lingvistic intelligence. As long as you understand relations among languages and can imagine certain constructs more abstractly and know some similar language of the same tribe, while also having good memory to remember what cannot be deduced but only remembered and you are surrounded by native speakers of said language, you can adapt to it pretty quickly.

I, for example, am Slovak, If I weren't lazy I could learn fluent Russian and Polish in relatively short time since these languages are from the same tribe as mine and very similar. Not to mentoin I already partially speak Czech (non-essayly) and even study in CR. So it's a matter of predispositions.

Not that I'd want to argue with linguist by trade :X

Pyrophilia2 votes

But see, that's just the thing. To further expand on the examples you mentioned, I am a native speaker of Croatian and many would say that I thus speak Serbian by default. This is absolute rubbish. The lexis is simply not there.

Without persistent cultural exposure, it would take quite a while for a vocabulary equivalent or closely equivalent to a native speaker's to be acquired.

I used to have a Bulgarian friend who I could understand with a fair amount of ease, and I could also easily emulate phonetic patterns of Bulgarian while speaking whatever he taught me. I'd rather chop my arm off than claim I can speak Bulgarian, however, or that I could learn it in a short span of time, regardless of having tested as having high linguistic intelligence.

I suppose my professional definition of what it means to really 'speak' a language is very strict. Call it a professional hazard.

dunder kill13 votes

Honestly there's no real reason for Aatrox when Jax exists. Their kits are so similar that they really dont both need to be kept around

Sorgklaan17 votes

I think you mean Xin.

BlackHairedGirl42 votes

How dare you.

Aatrox has five fingers.

Melledoneus1 votes

So does Jax, he's just hiding the other two on each hand.

500000000000000010 votes

Jax doesn't have a real weapon

Photos of Ghosts9 votes

Aatrox has no stun Jax has no lifesteal Jax has no ground targeted AoE cc and no escape except wardhop Jax's ult doesn't give him range nor has burst Jax is fully melee

??? This is like saying that Jhin and Cait have no reason to be different champs.

ModJango Mage2 votes

I think Aatrox and Tryndamere has got more similarities tho.

Auz the Ripper3 votes

that's more intentional though, considering Aatrox is basically trynd's main antagonist in lore. they have a khazix/rengar interaction lorewise though not as strong

Mostro Gallo4 votes

Were you drunk or high when you made this comment?

Quepha11 votes

4 years since Aatrox's release and he's been subpar for most of that time, sure. But Warwick was the most recent full rework and he had barely been touched since release. Of the smaller reworks a more recent one was the modernization of Alistar, another release champ who also needed it objectively more than Aatrox. Aatrox sucks but a lot of things suck and still need attention more than him.

The other major blocker with Aatrox is that his problems are common to an entire class of champions and they don't have a clear answer. The diver problem had been going on since long before even Aatrox's release and it doesn't make sense to try and fix any of them until a team sits down and figures out how these champions can do what they want to do in a healthy manner while also not doing it in exactly the same way as everyone else in the class.

SpecterVonBaren2 votes

Uh... Alistar was barely touched in his update and has been used in several metas for his entire existence, WW too has been in and out of meta at various times. Aatrox has never been in the meta after his first and only nerf. I mean they did work on Vel'Koz who had been perfectly balanced since his release and gave a completely unnecessary rework to Skarner who had already been reworked a year before that with a kit that was functional, strong, and fun.

Your second point is rock solid but your examples for your first are pretty poor.

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

BUT THE THING IS THAT THEY COULD JUST GIVE AATROX MICROBUFFS. 8 AD at lvl 18, 5 movespeed to compensate the loss of Zephyr, slightly larger knockup radius...

Ralanr9 votes

In 4 years Riot has never really put in enough time to properly rework him and shoved him to the side as they worked on other projects. They also didn't have much of a direction at all when it came to doing reworks (as Karma mains will tell you).

Aatrox is basically shit and will remain so until his kit gets changes. The important thing is that he is going to get those changes rather than having no goals st all for him.

ModCaptainMårvelous6 votes

Motherfucker I could get married and have kids in 9 months fuck you on about with 4 years lmao.

Also:

  • "Around the World in 80 Days"
  • Could learn the tools, doesn't mean you'd make a good champ. (See some of Riot's releases)

All that said, congrats on your medical schooling.

SweedishGunner6 votes

Despite making an absolute boat load of money Rito are really slow at reworking/updating champions.

Karakot5 votes

Honestly he doesn't need a full vgu, his model and splash look pretty badass in My opinon it's just his kit and how awful it us

Rockm Sockm5 votes

The boards don't care.

Riot only pretends to care.

Aatrox needs the love but they rather look at popular champions with more skins to sell.

Jerry SeinfeId4 votes

in 4 years 17 champs were released in 4 years we had multiple reworks. in 4 years The Rift was updated Getting married and having a kid in 4 years might be a dumb idea. The witcher is a story driven RPG with a clear goal and concept. In 4 years you could but did not learn the necessary tools to rework Aatrox.

let that sink in for a moment. .

Riot has different things todo than rework aatrox. like reworking Galio, Evelyn and Urgot like they announced.

Photos of Ghosts4 votes

Oh, so was releasing Camille a thing they HAD to do?

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

They didn't HAVE to but they still did. They don't HAVE to rework aatrox either.

Photos of Ghosts3 votes

They HAVE to rework Aatrox, to bring him to playability. No champ must be unusable. Ever.

Jerry SeinfeId2 votes

I agree, Riot agrees. That's why he is on the high priority list.

However they could say: "fuck it that's what he is that's what you get". The fact still remains that they're still just people and can't rework them all at once.

He clearly is usable if you'e good at him considering there's a challenger jungle Aatrox main.

just saying riot doesn't do shit based on one champ not being reworked is kinda dumb. Comparing online (pvp based on top of it) to a story driven AAA RPG is just impossible.

kagepaladin1 votes

I think it more follows the line of different area's of the workforce at riot the way I picture it is that the lore/art team kind of holds everyone by the sack when their is a champion rework. then you got the people who actually work on all the abilities then their is the coding. even then if you remember the most recent champion update was assassins before that it was juggernaut's and before that it was adc if i recall correctly, and middle lane mages even before that.

PaladinNO3 votes

Aatrox

...Who? A new champion? o.O

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