Hardest champion?

Meteor Driz·Dec 29, 2015·3 votes·1,481 views

Who do you think the hardest champion to really master is?

I know everyone will flame me for this but I have to go

I had to feed like 30 games straight with him before I ever started to rek

45 Comments

NiyumiDec 29, 20154 votes

Each champion is hard in different ways.

Azir is all about micromanagement and positioning 3-4 things at once.

Yasuo is all about super fast reflexes and being one step ahead of people.

Shaco is all about mind games and tricking your opponents.

Poppy is all about knowing how to exploit her kit and force people into enabling stuns.

Illaoi is all about punishing enemy mistakes, rather than making plays.

Every champion (minus ADCs and champs with no mechanics) has some form of difficulty that is unique to their kit and playstyle.

Meteor DrizDec 29, 20151 votes

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Each champion is hard in different ways.

Azir is all about micromanagement and positioning 3-4 things at once.

Yasuo is all about super fast reflexes and being one step ahead of people.

Shaco is all about mind games and tricking your opponents.

Poppy is all about knowing how to exploit her kit and force people into enabling stuns.

Illaoi is all about punishing enemy mistakes, rather than making plays.

Every champion (minus ADCs and champs with no mechanics) has some form of difficulty that is unique to their kit and playstyle.

If you had to pick one personal hardest though who would it be? :)

NiyumiDec 30, 20151 votes

For me personally... probably Zed. I can use his kit, and I can do things with it... but he is just not my style at all. I enjoy getting into the fray and fighting, not getting in and running away. :P He's more about hitting people who can't hit back or won't expect you, and that's just not how I play, unless I'm Eve or Shaco.

I'm used to playing mages or all-in champions. :P Not squishy assassins who pop the second they get focused.

RalanrDec 29, 20153 votes

Azir is pretty difficult in my opinion.

Course I main tanks and like to run into danger. I don't make good mages.

It's actually hilarious, as when I ADC a friend of mine says, "No no no ral, do not ADC. Bad things happen when you ADC" or something like that.

I cannot play carries outside of top lane. Even then I prefer not to carry.

LeadpaintchipsDec 30, 20152 votes

I know the pain, getting outta that tank mentality.

Dancing right at the edge of their cast range, then realizing "Oh ____, I go squish." about .5 seconds before you get initiated on, it sucks.

RalanrDec 30, 20151 votes

I usually run head first into fights before remembering I only have damage.

I really do not carry well outside of juggernauts and GP.

Maximum MordeDec 29, 20152 votes

Garen

A Miss FortuneDec 30, 20152 votes

Annie >

KING ATTILADec 29, 20152 votes

I'll prolly get flamed for this too, but Tryndamere

In season 1 when I tried him for the first time, I completely sucked. I was so mad I almost stopped playing him. But I stuck with it and here I am 6 years later just about...my favorite and best champ of all time.

I think he is hard to play well against good players as a melee only champ and difficult matchups/team comps...basically if you aren't good then your team is guaranteed a loss.

stealthfox94Dec 30, 20151 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

Meteor DrizDec 29, 20152 votes

Cant forget about Draven

Trying to juggle axes in the middle of a team fight is absurdly hard

KhâmulDec 30, 20152 votes

Invoker. let the downvotes rain, i'm ready

windwolf777Dec 30, 20151 votes

Nah man, Invoker is just memorization.

Imho meepo.

KhâmulDec 30, 20151 votes

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Nah man, Invoker is just memorization.

Imho meepo.

memorisation and fast cast (you use more than 4 casts in a teamfights :p). I didn't play meepo yet (for now i'm with invoker,abaddon and doom)

windwolf777Dec 31, 20151 votes

Lemme just say this, I'm not a meepo player, but I know his mechanics; quick cast, shift que, control groups, and tab will be your best friends. Oh, and also, if you don't already, buttons for your items.

I use these control groups: 1: for Meepo prime 2: Prime and first clone, (and illusions and necro units) 3: Clones 2 and 3 4: Clones 3 and 4 (Agh's) 5: Everything. All meepos, necro units, illusions, etc.

And if you want you can add me. http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198061630815/

CrazedPorcupineDec 30, 20152 votes

Riven Her mechanical skill slope is so freaking steep.

I picked up zed, and carried my first game with him. He's not hard, and is pretty easy

I've played mechanically complex champs, champs that require good decision making, and knowing cooldowns, and such, but Riven

I played dozens of games with her during her free week, and fed and lost every single one. I could animation cancel no problem, (that's not a hard skill to learn), but I just couldn't get her combos, decision making, or gameplay down.

While I still think there are parts of Riven's kit that are absolute BS, (Her Ult's Bonus AD Rabadon's effect for starters) I understand that she's a fairly complex and difficult champion to learn. Once you learn her though, she's broken as hell. (Raka counters her pretty hard though, a giant AoE silence dropped when she goes in screws her over so hard).

CatastropDec 30, 20152 votes

Anivia This sounds like a really, really odd choice but seriously, if you've mastered this champion then you carry every game. Aside from her though, I have to say Azir Bard Orianna and Syndra

RookPusherDec 29, 20151 votes

Syndra Syndra

A Miss FortuneDec 30, 20151 votes

I don't think she's that hard I just think she sucks and if you don't play her perfectly you're so ineffective at all stages of the game in any matchup.

AbyssphereDec 30, 20151 votes

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I don't think she's that hard I just think she sucks and if you don't play her perfectly you're so ineffective at all stages of the game in any matchup.

She typically has a more extreme learning curve on champion.gg than even people like Orianna. Not so extreme right now for some reason, though.

Mael broDec 29, 20151 votes

Yasuo - It's all mechanics, any play you make must be an outplay or else you're gonna get dumped.

Shaco - It's all mindtricks and micromanaging. Which is extremely hard to do.

Bard - Micromanaging, landing skillshots, consistent evaluation of pressure, which may harm your ADC. A mastered Bard is the strongest support in the game. Even stronger than Thresh

Azir - extremely complex, it's all about positioning, timing and your ability to farm. Not a champ for braindead people.

Cassiopeia - Farming, kiting and timing. If mastered you can solo nearly all of the enemy team.

TwistedFate - mechanics and map awareness must be extremely good to be a feared TF player.

Penguin EclipseDec 29, 20151 votes

Definitely Shaco

Meteor DrizDec 29, 20151 votes

Last night I was palying kindred and syndra was killing me with just Q R rofl T_T

Seems like she took the patch well.

Does her ult cause thunderlord procs with each hit?

AbyssphereDec 30, 20151 votes

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Last night I was palying kindred and syndra was killing me with just Q R rofl T_T

Seems like she took the patch well.

Does her ult cause thunderlord procs with each hit?

Yep, her ult alone can proc Thunderlord's.

Meteor DrizDec 29, 20151 votes

I feel like Rumble and LeeSin are honorable mentions too

Fisherman FízzDec 29, 20151 votes

Azir has to be one of the hardest in my opinion.

ZarkkastDec 29, 20151 votes

In my opinion Azir is the most difficult champion in the game to actually master.

YaskamasandwichDec 29, 20151 votes

Toss up for me between Azir and Bard. Azir's micro-management is just wayyy to much. Bard has to cast his abilities perfectly without an ounce of a mistake. But little to nothing can tango with you when you've mastered one of them and are playing them in their respective roles.

ŁouDec 30, 20151 votes

Azir Draven Ekko Ezreal LeeSin Orianna Viktor Yasuo Zed Those are 9 of whom I think is the hardest. Why? Azir- how is he not hard?!?!? Draven- Axe juggling is pretty ridiculously hard if you want your max amount of dps Ekko- Depending on who you're against, managing to land your w can be fairly hard Ezreal- Every single ability is a skill shot. Aside from Arcane Shift Lee Sin- I can't even Insec when I'm already behind them. Orianna- Knowing on whom to place your ball can be quite difficult. Sometimes even knowing where it is can be hard. Orianna "Oh I'm going to put my ball on Sejuani for when she goes in" Sejuani (goes into combat) summoner 4 (out of combat) Orianna ults "...." Viktor- Wow that Laser was not suppose to go there!!!! Yasuo- OMG I DIDN'T MEAN TO E THAT WAY Zed- (will be flamed for this one oops) Many people believe Zed is "oh I press R, and you die now" but nope. Zed requires you to have the following 1) patience 2) observation skills 3) knowing where your shadows are AT ALL TIMES. Go in at the wrong time? Dead. Go to the wrong shadow? Dead. Where even is my shadow? Dead.

Spaceman5pffDec 30, 20151 votes

I can't fully get on board with the Zed part.. As someone with like 4 games on Zed, I find that switching to a shadow (even if i lose track of it) is often confusing enough to my opponents to help me run away. I know this isn't always true, but you make him out to be much less forgiving than he is.

ŁouDec 31, 20151 votes

Fair enough, your opinions are different than mine aha

Asayake 5150glowDec 30, 20151 votes

Azir THE most mechanically complex champion according to Rito. I think. And I gotta admit - he's pretty hard. Though at least doesn't feed completely if you suck because of his absurd range. TwistedFate I think the first mage I bought. I remember feeding so hard with this guy... everyone agrees he's hard, but mastered? That is why you never see a good TF below plat. Actually that's not true. But whatever. Bard Yep, Bard is definitely difficult. But when you see that AD Bard top vidya... makes you rethink some things about Bard support. I think he's especially different because his auto attacks actually do something as a support (Aoe permaslow ftw).

I've also seen a really good Draven . 1v3'd a triple. Now, that shit isn't as impressive with people like Kha'Zix or Katarina who have resets and can kill their target before their target does anything, but Draven?

And last but not least -

DrMundo Repeatedly smash your face on the keyboard. Srsly, this guy is so easy that once, when my mouse broke and I could only attack move (Mundo attack everything he see!) I barely died and helped my team with a teamfight and survived with my ult.

FrickendaChickenDec 30, 20151 votes

Kindred. She has to kite well, drop her ult's properly, manage her passive VERY well before 20 minutes (otherwise they lose a huge priority on Baron), ABUSE ALL MISTAKES, abuse her kit to take out her targets perfectly. It's just daunting, and when someone knows how to Kindred on either team, it's over before it began, a lot like Pantheon. But harder.

The WhamboozlerDec 30, 20151 votes

Mechanically hard, or hard to do well with? Because Yasuo might have a high difficulty, but unless your opponents are good they'll probably fail to deal with him properly and fail to take advantage of his weaknesses.

MY bet for most difficult champion always goes to Cassiopeia . With Syndra being a close second. Not only was Cass dumpstered into being hideously underpowered, you have to micromanage your poison to spam her E and that's ALL she's any good at anymore. Her E is basically a lackluster Azir soldier in terms of sustained damage, but much shorter in range and easier to mess up. Azir is more complicated, but even a bad azir can stand behind his team, toss soliders out and click people. Cass HAS to get into the fray and risk death... and if she bungles a single E onto a non-poisoned target she immediately stops being able to hurt anyone, leaving her a sitting duck at short range.

RogueWillDec 30, 20151 votes

Uhm... Taric or Singed ?

With so limited kit you gotta make wonders creatuvely to make them work

JustMyBassCannonDec 30, 20151 votes

Frankly, it depends more on the player than the champion.

When Draven was first released, most people were joking that you'd need a psychic-tier brain to micromanage his kit. I took it as a challenge and almost immediately found out just how overpowered he used to be when you knew what you were doing (this was with that OP stacking bleed passive). Even after he became more balanced, he's recognized as a truly terrifying snowball champ. But I didn't really find his juggling difficult, because orb-walking is something natural for me on any ranged champ. It's just how I play them.

Meanwhile, I can't handle playing Singed unless my opponents are stupid on the level of AI.

biobirbbyyDec 30, 20151 votes

Cassiopeia Azir Draven LeeSin Nidalee and maybe Vayne

Miku Lv99Dec 30, 20151 votes

In terms of playing perfectly, I'd say the hardest would have to be Kalista .

In other terms, whichever champion is playing against Ahri and isn't good enough at dodging skillshots.

windwolf777Dec 30, 20151 votes

Just a few off the top of my head,

Draven with knowing when it's safe to catch an Axe or when you just need to let it go can be difficult. Especially when you get some CDR or AS

MasterYi needs good timing when to use alpha as it's his dodge, gap closer, (can be) a large part of his damage, when to use meditate as a heal or an AA reset, damage reduction, or when to keep healing. Also needs to keep a timer of approximate cd of enemy hard cc to better know when to alpha

Zed balancing shadows, having to know when to go all in, among other things. Plus he has to keep track of enemy cooldowns, and since he's countered by item 3157 a good zed needs to keep track of enemy CD of that.

Shaco micro skills

Gnar I'm not saying that Gnar is hard, per se, however, from what I've seen sometimes people can have a hard time in balancing controlling the rage bar. (I haven't played him however I imagine it might be a little hard at least. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

RalanthaDec 30, 20151 votes

I can't figure out Yasuo at all. Every time I see a good Yasuo my eyes turn green with envy. He's so much fun watching even when he's kicking my ass. Whenever I see one struggle I cry. Azir and Shaco's are second- both require knowing exactly what's going on everywhere else and pinpointing your own CD's to make a play actually matter.

TNHA BaritoneDec 30, 20151 votes

A Z I R S Y N D R A O R I A N N A C A S S E O P I A

stealthfox94Dec 30, 20151 votes

Draven or Orianna

I'm terrible at Yasuo but still managed to get 20 kills and two triple kills in a game with him, and I only had one other champion with a knockup, don't think he's really that hard.