Udyr PBE blow to passive will be his undoing

LilxPaprika··1 votes·526 views

udyr passive nerf looks excessive, particularly the movement speed nerfs.

Having to have the element of surprise is essential when ganking on udyr. Udyr ganks can be seen coming. learn to keep and eye on mini map and ward (let's not downplay this essential part of the game). Instead why not make a warding tutorial for new players. Have them extend beyond halfway across the lane and instruct them on how to avoid an incoming gank. And really stress its importance, make it difficult to complete this stage. Could also do one for vision control/denial.

Udyr ganks aren't nearly as scary as leesin, xin, vi, jarvan, zac, amumu, ekko, Elise, gragas, skarner, fizz, pantheon, nunu, nocturne, rammus, hecarim, shaco... Any ranged jungler with red buff like nidalee, or kindred, tf, graves, lissandra hell even kassasin has better ganks/tower dive potential. Many junglers have more bursts.

I don't mind nerfing udyr, i want every champion to be balanced, but don't kill his identity. He's good at split pushing and can at the very least pull off a successful gank if played right. His team fighting is mediocre at best. Its hard enough to stack 3 stacks of passive and have enough mana left over to both pull off a successful gank and or escape if things go sour. Sorry midlaners no bluebuffs for you. Maybe runic echoes gives enough mana but the other jungle items don't.


Udyr is ripe for a 'furlift', consider this:

Every so often gain a charge that allows you to enter a spell on CD just for its passive (not active). Highlight spells that are on cooldown if you have a charge available, to signify that you can reenter the stance for its passive.

Example I enter bear form to stun the adc, enter phoenix or bear form to damage them, now immediately enter bear form just for the passive not the active ms buff and flash onto support.

The issue is how effective CDR is on Udyr right now. Not using him for what his passive offers as much as actives. I'd like to see cdrless udyr be viable. Udyr that derives his strength from effectively using his passive and choosing wisely whether he'd prefer to lifesteal, stun, or do dmg. As opposed to spamming bear and turtle stance to shield himself and run fast or proc sheen. I'm not downplaying CDR udyr either it's fun, there's just this untapped side of him could also shine. An Udyr that would favor the oft overlooked frozen mallet over IBG.

This is the markings of a well designed champion. One that can be played in drastically different yet equally viable ways.

Keep in mind using a charge to enter a stance will not refresh his passive.

His kit is limited by his inability to access his other passives. CDR is the best/only way right now to switch between passives asap. I don't think it should be the only way.

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Anraton1 votes

passive nerf?

reference: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/03/322-pbe-update.html#balance

Attack speed lowered to 7% from 10% Movement Speed lowered to 3 from 5 Effect now stacks up to 5 times from 3 times. Max attack speed possible up to 35% from 30% Max movement speed possible remains at 15.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

because fuck udyr.

LilxPaprika1 votes

Another thing is, if it wasn't so essential to power farm your jungle item since so much gold spend into item 3706 item 3711 with no stats that carry over into champion fights. That's the main reason Udyr shines in this meta.

Even the smite active should be have a minimal value since laners have a summoner advantage on you.

You're essentially paying for the completed jungle item upfront.

Suggestion please refund at least a portion of the 1000 gold even 800 gold would be a huge relief. Its enough to simply force you to clear say 18 or so camps to undo the deficit that's in place specifically to keep jungling exclusive. For each camp gain 40 or 50 extra gold until you clear 18 monsters.

Relocate this cost to completing the jungle item. Instead of paying 450 for devourer you'd pay 1250. All it's there for is to keep laners from farming jungle while enemy is freezing the lane.

Cinderhulk junglers could complete the item when it's worth while after stacking HP. Going grasp on undying with cinderhulk isn't even viable atm. How useful could udyr be if he could tank for team mates with bond of stone mastery.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

its similiar to the jax nerf man, its not going to do anything. he is still going to be broken. they are nerfing him without realizing WHY he is so strong. they did this to GP. GP wasnt strong because of his passive or his fucking barrels nor because his Q had mana restoration on kill, it was and still is because of his global ult.

udyrs passive has NOTHING to do with why he is so s trong, infact its irrelevant. because of this he will stay strong and they will keep nerfing random aspects of his kit untill he is completely gutted

LilxPaprika1 votes

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its similiar to the jax nerf man, its not going to do anything. he is still going to be broken. they are nerfing him without realizing WHY he is so strong. they did this to GP. GP wasnt strong because of his passive or his fucking barrels nor because his Q had mana restoration on kill, it was and still is because of his global ult.

udyrs passive has NOTHING to do with why he is so s trong, infact its irrelevant. because of this he will stay strong and they will keep nerfing random aspects of his kit untill he is completely gutted

I agree that they often gut a champion without properly determining what exactly is oppressive about a champion.

When ganking as Udyr its best to charge up your passive. Let's say you charge it only twice that At 3 charges 9 vs 15 is 6 ms. Charging it much more can really hurt his mana use early game. Mobility and Udyr go together like peas in a pod. Good luck trying to gank or split push without it. Changing this changes what he's all about. You can change the passive all you want but unless you redistribute the ms somehow he wonder be the same. Bear form is strong but its its synergy with the passive that makes it shine, helps reach that desired threshold needed to evade most champions.

Replacing his passive without preserving his ms would absolutely impact how Udyr is played. Maybe 4 to 6% isn't the end of the world. Although with all the recent nerfs he's been getting I think it'll be the straw that broken the camels back.

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