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Vayne is the only champ like this.

dominusx··41 votes·3,839 views

100% of her dmg is UNDODGEABLE first off. as for second and main issue is that her only weakness is human error and her mediocre lane. so with WARLORDS her lane phase problems dissapear she can safely sustain forever while staying back and can deal with all ins thanks to warlord aswell which makes her not even below average in the lane phase. She is the single best champion in the late game nothing can compare to her litterally NOTHING 1000stacks nasus? even with flash ghost he will die before even pressing W on her. so why the FUCK is she allowed to be like she is right now? why isnt she fkn gutted. she has a rly low skillfloor extremenly low anyone saying otherwhise is an adc main tryna defend her. i can go and play Her right now and stomp with her even tho i only play Draven from adcs i dont understand everybody crying about her for months and not enough action is taken. just rework her or remove her stealth. her kit doesnt even need the fucking stealth in the 1st place. i dont know what else to say i seriously dont im fed up with this champion every fucking time there is either vayne players who simply suck and they lose because they as players are bad and there are the few who have an iq of above 50 and dont feed their asses off and murder everything that's fine huh? adcs beeing broken is fine but once an assasin reaches 50% win rate he gets gutted. smfh.

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JVP1525 votes

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100% of her dmg is UNDODGEABLE first off.

Jax Bitch u wot?

dominusx3 votes

press E while jumps bam useless. if he flashes you can flash aswell or if you are good at buffering E flash and stun to a nearby wall even if u dont styn u go back to your aa range and freely kite witj stealth. and as far as ik jax cant 100_0anything instantly

Thin Air8 votes

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press E while jumps bam useless. if he flashes you can flash aswell or if you are good at buffering E flash and stun to a nearby wall even if u dont styn u go back to your aa range and freely kite witj stealth. and as far as ik jax cant 100_0anything instantly

If you think Jax can't 100-0 anything instantly, you haven't played a good Jax who knows how to buffer his ult and use is W to reset combo ult procs.

dominusx2 votes

i mean i played jax in the past and abused his passive and resets 24/7 he aint oneshoting shit unless hyperfed. Or ap. but if he goes ap the average adc can 3hit him

Auz the Ripper2 votes

{quoted} but if he goes ap the average adc can 3hit him

That's why you 3hit them first

LordGeovanni1 votes

same hit battle range and mobility wins

ChaoticPinecone3 votes

...you missed the joke.

Jax (and Shen) are the champions that can actually dodge Vayne's autoattacks.

HeeroTX1 votes

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Jax (and Shen) are the champions that can actually dodge Vayne's autoattacks.

because he still HAS a "dodge"... >_>

(^_-)

Bellows2 votes

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press E while jumps bam useless. if he flashes you can flash aswell or if you are good at buffering E flash and stun to a nearby wall even if u dont styn u go back to your aa range and freely kite witj stealth. and as far as ik jax cant 100_0anything instantly

Poor boy. You have obviously never gone on the mystical adventure that is AP jax.

Alex h87213 votes

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Jax Bitch u wot?

LOOOL you stole my thing I was gonna say.

CC Mustang3 votes

Shen dont forget me

Sona Ping8 votes

"100% of her dmg is UNDODGEABLE first off." That's a very manipulative way of framing that. 100% of Warwick's damage is UNDODGEABLE as well, and we all know what kind of state he is in.

dominusx11 votes

1st ww is melee second ww has no TRUE dmg 3rd his gapclose is the easiest to interupt spell in the game secnd to karthus ulti. tell me fuckin more

edit:anyone who downvoted this specific comment i made on the comparisom of ww to vayne is a complete moron

Sona Ping18 votes

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1st ww is melee second ww has no TRUE dmg 3rd his gapclose is the easiest to interupt spell in the game secnd to karthus ulti. tell me fuckin more

And none of that has anything to do with your statement. You are trying to use "undodgeable" to frame Vayne's complete AA reliance as something other than what it is.

And you already know anybody can name off the strengths and arbitrary differences of any champion to make them seem different and broken and we can do this for MasterYi XinZhao etc. who also have "undodgeable" damage, as if that was ever a criteria for champion strength in the first place.

Off Meta Evan5 votes

well the issue with vayne is that she's supposed to be a champ that has high outplay potiential, but that potiential is only a one way street, vayne can be a fucking legend and Q dodge every skill shot the Ziggs throws out but ziggs can't outplay her damage because its all undodgeable. having mostly undodgeable abilities is a bad thing for game health just flat out. like yeah WW isn't busted but he IS poorly designed and bad for game health, and can become extremely busted when items show up that make him broken. Throwback to weedwick aka red smite warwick. And this for the most part is due to the fact that outside of rushing item 3140 there really isn't anyway to outplay a point and click suppression.

i think a good balance example should be from champions like Sion and Xerath, they have high damage abilities that are indicated very clearly and are for the most part easy to dodge, HOWEVER, when they land said abilities it can be devastating. so even if the sion or xerath are very fed, you can outplay them by dodging their damage, you still have a chance. when vayne is fed, she auto, Qs and if she crit twice you're dead.

PeanutButterFan1 votes

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1st ww is melee second ww has no TRUE dmg 3rd his gapclose is the easiest to interupt spell in the game secnd to karthus ulti. tell me fuckin more

edit:anyone who downvoted this specific comment i made on the comparisom of ww to vayne is a complete moron

Ever heard of Skirmishers+Ignite Warwick? You build bloodrazor, 1-2 offence items after that and tank after. Lategame, 50% of your damage is uncounterplayabe true damage from ignite smite ult and %HP from Bloodrazor and if you bought BotRK, that as well, as well as having 3k+hp with about 100 of each resist. Also, Draintank.

Tukan Tonko1 votes

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Ever heard of Skirmishers+Ignite Warwick? You build bloodrazor, 1-2 offence items after that and tank after. Lategame, 50% of your damage is uncounterplayabe true damage from ignite smite ult and %HP from Bloodrazor and if you bought BotRK, that as well, as well as having 3k+hp with about 100 of each resist. Also, Draintank.

Bloodrazor and BotRK may be %HP damage but they still can be mitigated. That makes it only ignite and smite, even with Bloodrazor and BotTK you can get all those items on every single champion. I think you just wanted to point out that ult, but no, it doesn't make it uncounterable either, one stun, interrupt even QSS.

If you want to compare this to Vayne's true damage you have chosen a bad example, she still have true damage coming from her basic attacks which means that you can't mitigate that damage no matter what when you get that 3rd shot. Add all these things you gave Warwick and here you goes! She would be worse than WW. What's the point of this post then? If you wanted to prove that Vayne is worse than WW, well done, you just did it, but I think that was not the point. Better comparison would be Yi or Darius, but Yi don't have self peel and stealth and Darius doesn't need these things, he is juggernaut and his mobility is low.

PeanutButterFan1 votes

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Bloodrazor and BotRK may be %HP damage but they still can be mitigated. That makes it only ignite and smite, even with Bloodrazor and BotTK you can get all those items on every single champion. I think you just wanted to point out that ult, but no, it doesn't make it uncounterable either, one stun, interrupt even QSS.

If you want to compare this to Vayne's true damage you have chosen a bad example, she still have true damage coming from her basic attacks which means that you can't mitigate that damage no matter what when you get that 3rd shot. Add all these things you gave Warwick and here you goes! She would be worse than WW. What's the point of this post then? If you wanted to prove that Vayne is worse than WW, well done, you just did it, but I think that was not the point. Better comparison would be Yi or Darius, but Yi don't have self peel and stealth and Darius doesn't need these things, he is juggernaut and his mobility is low.

I'm not the poster of this thread, and he said vain had loads of true so I gave him an example of more. I never mentioned consistency.

Tukan Tonko1 votes

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I'm not the poster of this thread, and he said vain had loads of true so I gave him an example of more. I never mentioned consistency.

That's perfectly fine, but... how does WW have more true damage than Vayne? If his smite and ignite is off cooldown he will do 500 true damage. Vayne will do a lot more, she has the most true damage in the game. Better example is still Yi and Darius or even Fiora.

PeanutButterFan1 votes

It depends on target hp but I suppose.

Tukan Tonko1 votes

Sure it does, anyways, Vayne can do true damage repeatedly and there is only short window between that.

warpenguin5552 votes

you can QSS a warwick ult.

Sona Ping3 votes

And? That has nothing to do with the topic.

Kosm1K5 votes

you can technically dodge most of the damage from it if you do, so it has everything to do with the topic, plus it makes WW completely useless once the entire team has a QSS, completely irrelevant

Sona Ping6 votes

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you can technically dodge most of the damage from it if you do, so it has everything to do with the topic, plus it makes WW completely useless once the entire team has a QSS, completely irrelevant

It has nothing to do with the topic, that he is trying to paint Vayne's complete AA reliance as a strength and that it is a distinct and unique mark of strength. Further that multiple champions are also "undodgeable" amplifies this. It's irrelevant.

It's also irrelevant because QSS only cancels crowd control in the first place.

Kosm1K5 votes

you're not understanding, clearly. None of Vayne's abilities are dodgeable, except the knockback, which you can QSS, but that is nowhere near as important to vayne as WW's ult is to WW. Vayne is made to hunt you down, you can't run away from her, and you can't dodge her attacks or abilities.

Your comparison between Vayne and WW is foolhardy because of that. Yes I realize that WW is point and click, but the fact of the matter is that his kit is a whole lot weaker, especially since you can "dodge" his ult, rendering him completely useless. Also, why would you compare a jungler to an ADC? Every other adc has some sort of skillshot in their kit.

Ashealmost all skillshots except Q CaitlynQ and E are skillshots Corki Everything is a skillshot DravenE and R are skillshots EzrealQ W R are skilllshots GravesQ W R are skilshots JhinW and R are skillshots JinxW E R are skillshots Kalista Q is a skillshot (technically R too) KogMaw Everything except atkspeed buff is a skillshot Lucianstar thing? and ult are skillshots MissFortuneMake it rain and Ult are a skilshot (technically Q too for max damage) QuinnQ is a skillshot SivirQ is a skillshot TristanaW is a skillshot and E needs time to proc Twitch W and ult are skillshots Varus Everything except blight are skillshots.

Every single ADC there is in the game has a skillshot. Vayne is the only one that does not, and simply AA's away in order to win. The rest of the adc's have to hope they can land their abilities in order to have maximum effectiveness in the game, especially late game when they usually need their abilities to survive. THAT is what the op is trying to say.

doodlebob6663 votes

how is twitch's ult a skill shot?

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

He has one of the only auto attacks you can dodge with gapclosers or being something like Homeguard Rammus.

An Undead brat4 votes

...so no, it's not a skillshot.

Narasimha1 votes

Eh, it technically is. If I'm remembering correctly, Twich's ult literally turns his AAs into piercing skillshots.

It Hertz When IP2 votes

They're not skillshots on the primary target, just skillshots on everything beyond that.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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you're not understanding, clearly. None of Vayne's abilities are dodgeable, except the knockback, which you can QSS, but that is nowhere near as important to vayne as WW's ult is to WW. Vayne is made to hunt you down, you can't run away from her, and you can't dodge her attacks or abilities.

Your comparison between Vayne and WW is foolhardy because of that. Yes I realize that WW is point and click, but the fact of the matter is that his kit is a whole lot weaker, especially since you can "dodge" his ult, rendering him completely useless. Also, why would you compare a jungler to an ADC? Every other adc has some sort of skillshot in their kit.

Ashealmost all skillshots except Q CaitlynQ and E are skillshots Corki Everything is a skillshot DravenE and R are skillshots EzrealQ W R are skilllshots GravesQ W R are skilshots JhinW and R are skillshots JinxW E R are skillshots Kalista Q is a skillshot (technically R too) KogMaw Everything except atkspeed buff is a skillshot Lucianstar thing? and ult are skillshots MissFortuneMake it rain and Ult are a skilshot (technically Q too for max damage) QuinnQ is a skillshot SivirQ is a skillshot TristanaW is a skillshot and E needs time to proc Twitch W and ult are skillshots Varus Everything except blight are skillshots.

Every single ADC there is in the game has a skillshot. Vayne is the only one that does not, and simply AA's away in order to win. The rest of the adc's have to hope they can land their abilities in order to have maximum effectiveness in the game, especially late game when they usually need their abilities to survive. THAT is what the op is trying to say.

yeah Vayne doesn't need to use her abilities late game to survive sure... let's put two vayne's against each other one that doesn't use their abilities vs one that does and see which one come up ahead, same lvl and items. Vayne is all about repositioning herself constantly all throughout the fight. Constantly using her Q to do so. Constantly moving and hitting whoever gets close to her. Constantly making sure that she is kiting everyone and keeping a good distance away from enemies. Vayne doesn't have skillshots because it would completely disrupt her entire gameplay. It also prevents her from just playing it safe and farming from a distance. It forces her to always be near danger when she fights and forces her to do everything possible to survive while maximizing the damage she can make.

A lot of ADCs even though they have skillshots come the late game? they barely use them for anything but picking someone who is running away. A trist doesn't give a damn, she just jumps in your face, and uses every single point and click ability on you (except her ult) and then autos you for a little bit and pushes you away with her ult. Or you are close enough and she does everything except she might try to jump on you or just jumps away after ulting you away. Plenty of ADCs also follow that same logic of using everything they have on you that won't disrupt their autos and it's fairly easy to kit. An MF is going to use her ult from very far away or right in your face while using her E to prevent you from getting to her fast enough.

Every ADC is pretty much the same. They all use their abilities late game, some more than others, in order to survive and saying that Vayne doesn't is just factually wrong

Kosm1K1 votes

I didn't say that she doesn't use her abilities? I was saying that she is completely undodgeable, even her abilities, and that is something no other ADC has. She hits Q? she can't miss it. Her W? it's always on. Her E? point and click. Her ult? literally just a buff.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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I didn't say that she doesn't use her abilities? I was saying that she is completely undodgeable, even her abilities, and that is something no other ADC has. She hits Q? she can't miss it. Her W? it's always on. Her E? point and click. Her ult? literally just a buff.

and all of them are gated by her AA range. She unlike every single other ADC out there is unable to do anything outside of that range. She constantly needs to put herself at a risky distance and is always needing to reposition herself, more so than any other ADC (except maybe draven with his axe catching minigame)

Yes her damage is "undodgeable" because they are all pretty much enhanced AAs. Even with her true damage Vayne's damage is mostly physical so building armor is always good against her, anything that lowers AS is also great like against almost every other ADC out there. HP is also always good since even though she has %true damage that is only after every 3rd hit so all those other hits in between it will help you.

Kosm1K1 votes

Ok now you're talking sense. Her AA range should definitely be what's gating her, but she is still pretty strong. Personally I think it's thanks to ADC itemization in general and ADCs need to be fixed. The new assassins (rengar and kha excluded) are having a lot harder time with ADCs thanks to their lifesteal. OPs hate on vayne is misguided I think, I personally feel that he should be venting at ADCs as a whole.

Bârd8 votes

Not 100% undodgeable, technically.

The stun from Condemn can be messed with if you use a mobility spell at the right time.

Moving past that, while the vast majority of her damage is, indeed, "undodgeable", it is far from "unavoidable".

Vayne is very short ranged, and I am not just talking about her attack range (which is strictly average). Her SPELLS are short ranged. Her Q, W, and R (damage boost) can only damage champions within her attack range. Her E shares that same range. Her W requires not only that the target stay in that range for 3 hits, but that no OTHER target becomes enough of a threat during those attacks that Vayne needs to switch focus.

Compare her to any other ADC. Vayne is the ONLY ONE with no way of dealing with targets more than 550 units away.

Also, don't use Nasus as an example "late game champ". His lategame is ass; 1000 damage Q's don't mean shit against teams with QSS, Mikaels, CC, and Tanks.

Brain Errör 4047 votes

This post has been upvoted with the most MEDIOCRE argument you can FIND. This is more than enough proof that people will just agree to anything they can't handle.

Meep Man6 votes

It involved talking about how poorly designed someone with % Health True Damage is so, therefore, it will get the second most upvotes on the Board besides Windman.

Meep Man4 votes

100% of her dmg is UNDODGEABLE first off.

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dominusx2 votes

You can dodge jax stun which means you kite him for free. akali is also a shitty design you got me there lad Kayle shouldnt exist in the fkn game Kindred is also a poor design Yi is melee once he uses Q you flash and kite A bansee negates shaco burst Same with teemo as shaco Trundle is easy as fuck to kite Twitch even tho broken you can sidestep his attacks on range Voli and Udyr simply WALK UP if you cant kite these 2 champs dont play any squishy role wW is an ult bot cancel his ulti and he is useless or 65seconds.

But with Vayne you cant build against her OR dodge her dmg. You can build against the other non dodgeable champions with Vayne it doesnt matter even if you have 6armor items you die fast as fuck.

Disembark6 votes

Yes! Kite the righteous glory/ghost/Qing + deadmans Voli running at 700ms str8 for that sweet delicious adc booty.

LightSword1 votes

summoner 4

LightSword1 votes

That is, to aid the Voli/Udyr

dominusx2 votes

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Troll for Trump3 votes

100% of her dmg is UNDODGEABLE first off.

Have you ever laned vs a Pantheon QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ

Reaper Soraka3 votes

It's more like QQQ then he's out of mana. :P

LightSword1 votes

Have you ever faced him with a corrupting potion? It's cancerous.

Narasimha2 votes

To be fair, he's running out of mana, but his opponent is running out of health.

Hauling Ashe3 votes

I don't think ADC mains are defending her. If they are, then they must play Vayne a lot themselves. I personally won't touch the bitch because I feel like it's a cheap trick.

She seriously needs a nerf to her tumble and needs to have her stealth reclassified to camouflage. And I should NOT be getting outburst as a FED Katarina vs a Vayne!!!

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

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I don't think ADC mains are defending her. If they are, then they must play Vayne a lot themselves. I personally won't touch the bitch because I feel like it's a cheap trick.

She seriously needs a nerf to her tumble and needs to have her stealth reclassified to camouflage. And I should NOT be getting outburst as a FED Katarina vs a Vayne!!!

Why not? It's easy to hit 2 AS per second with Vayne, so Kata should die, if she goes near her. The only way to survive vs Vayne is to build tanky, but she will kill you with the W procs. There are many other champions that can instakill Katarina before she reaches them...

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