The PBE changes will nerf tanks, not help them.

FantasySniper··3 votes·619 views

For those who don't know what I'm talking about. Also, the official post on NA explaining their direction.

These changes to "mid-season durability" will only make things worse:

  1. Every champion that didn't have MR growth now does.
  • Legitimate tanks aren't getting any more base MR.
  • The difference between a tank's base MR and a squishy's base MR will now shrink.
  • "Shifting" durability from health to resistances.
  • It's so much easier to counter resistances than it is to counter health.
  • %HP damage is only available from two items, and both are usually ineffective.
  • Let's not forget that few champions consider them an optimal core, and even fewer use them situationally.
  • The one other item that scales off of enemy HP also has high bonus armor penetration.
  • It provides less total durability. Here are a few tank tops with Sunfire Cape at Lv6 (masteries and runes not included):
  • Malphite: 0.33% less physical health & 5.24% less magical health.
  • Dr. Mundo: 0.26% less physical health & 5.23% less magical health.
  • Poppy: 0.11% less physical health & 5.37% less magical health.
  • The go-to carry defense items are now bruiser items.
  • GA is now Armor and AD. Good fucking luck trying to justify this when literally every AD champion builds it.
  • Banshee's Veil is now MR, **AP **and CDR. They also reduced the Spell Shield CD to a minimum of 8 seconds.
  • Current Tank items are getting nerfed.
  • Randuin's Omen down the trash chute.
  • Sunfire Cape's passive getting gutted.

At least the new items compensate the loss of Banshee's Veil and Guardian Angel for tanks.

9 Comments

SoundChaosDebug1 votes

sunfire has been in a series of "getting gutted" but this just sounds like another blow

EvilUnicornLord1 votes

I kind of like how the new changes are looking.

Of course, that may be because I main Poppy who focuses on resistances more than hp and the Gargoyle Stoneplate may be the greatest thing I've ever seen.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

I honestly don't know what they were thinking with the changes to item 3026. It honestly feels like this whole Midseason was designed to just buff ADCs. I'm not entirely saying that them getting buffed overall is a bad thing or anything like that, but that out of all the classes, I feel that ADCs benefit almost the most out of all these changes.

Think about all the stuff that basically benefit ADCs....

  1. Like you said, Armor items are losing HP for more Armor which is much easier to counter
  2. Randiun's won't have Crit Damage Reduction anymore (Seriously...stupid decision there...) meaning Crit ADCs are going to be even stronger against tanks
  3. The new item 3026 being turned into an AD item...Now mages will feel really weird and might not even build it anymore, and most tanks might not either...So now ADCs, and maybe some Juggernaunts/Fighters would be the only ones using it.
  4. They'll get MR/level now to help survive a little bit more against Mages/AP Tanks and Supports
  5. With the introduction of the new item stoneplate, Reducing item 3068's burn and probably with the 3 big reworks in the class update, tank damage overall will be lowered (Which we all heard was generally going to happen, but still).

I really hope that we'll see more changes though and not just these...Also I really am annoyed how much some Mages are getting screwed over by these changes to.

Kilanost1 votes

FYI they said they'll be making changes to penetration stats to make the shift from health to resistances healthier. Essentially they wanted people making the decision of the right armor/MR balance for the situation instead of just stacking health.

FantasySniper1 votes

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The value of penetration items would increase slightly, and the value of %HP items like BotRK would decrease slightly most likely, but there are also some small changes planned to keep penetration in check that will hopefully hit PBE soon as well.

This is what you are talking about, yeh?

"Small changes" to Riot means a love tap to maintain the status quo. Tanks will still be screwed over unless penetration items are flat-out nerfed.

Kilanost1 votes

calm down buddy. They're talking about reworking the how the stats work together. Thats a huge deal.

FantasySniper1 votes

I'm going to need a source on that. The above quote was the only thing I found mentioning anything about penetration, and it doesn't even come close to implying a rework.

Kilanost1 votes

Its buried in some of the explanations that came with the pbe changes. go find them. I encourage everyone to read them that finds these changes a little shitty initially (which I did too seeing as how 90% of the champions I play are tanks/bruisers).

FantasySniper1 votes

Who was the Red that posted it? I can't find anything from RiotRepertoir other than "small changes".

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