Fizz Nerfs

FantasySniper·Jun 5, 2016·193 votes·10,110 views

Attack range lowered to 125 from 175 Playful / Trickster (E) cooldown increased to 18/16/14/12/10 from 16/14/12/10/8

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228 Comments

KVbqbFsC8eJun 5, 201638 votes

I doubt that'll be enough to make him balanced.

ModWuksJun 5, 201681 votes

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I doubt that'll be enough to make him balanced.

A nerf is a nerf. I'll take it!

Troll for TrumpJun 5, 20166 votes

But that basically guts Fizz mid. He needs the range to cs against mages. Trickster, yes, deserves nerfs.

It's sorta like how they gutted shyv top to try and nerf her jgl

HighH1Jun 5, 201613 votes

Fizz deserves to be gutted

KnoyleJun 5, 201613 votes

Yes, let's not try to actually balance a champion and just gut them or make them just about unplayable because they were strong for a while. That totally makes sense. It's not like people who genuinely liked to play them will care, right? Oh and while we are at it lets take a handful of other champions and barely touch them or over compensate their nerfs if not just give them unneeded buffs. We want all the tryhards to at least give them a shot and feed when they don't know how to pull a combo correctly. Because I surely want to play a game like that. OH WAIT!

Nameless VoiceJun 5, 20165 votes

If a champion that everyone hates is weak and unpopular, then it's sad for the people who play that champion. If a champion that everyone hates is strong and popular, then it's sad for everyone who has to play against them.

Personally I think that people not playing Fizz being able to have fun in their games is more important than people playing as Fizz having fun in their games.

franticFurballJun 5, 201614 votes

So? I don't mind seeing him gutted.

The champ had YEARS in the light.

WimbledofyJun 5, 20163 votes

this won't effect tank fizz at all.

Spaceman5pffJun 5, 20165 votes

Really? Because attack range nerfs really fucked over Tahm Kench as a laner. Attack Range nerfs to melees wake them SIGNIFICANTLY weaker vs other melees, which was a group of matchups fizz excells in.

PennsJun 5, 201612 votes

Ap Fizz is already like average lol.

A Miss FortuneJun 5, 20166 votes

Meanwhile Tank Fizz does the same amount of damage but has a permanent Kayle ult.

PennsJun 5, 201613 votes

I would agree with Tank Fizz nerfs, but this probably hits AP harder than tank..

KeìronJun 5, 20164 votes

AP fizz has 53% win rate, 8% pick rate and a 20% banrate. He's not balanced.

Du Ma MiJun 5, 20164 votes

That's a little strong, but it isn't broken or anything. I agree that Tank fizz needs to be burned in a fire, though.

Blackstone01Jun 5, 20163 votes

Unlike a certain AD mid sitting at an above 80% pick/ban rate

President Swa1nJun 5, 20162 votes

Only the first statistic really contributes to whether or not a champion is unbalanced and ever so slightly at that. 53% is higher than average, obviously, but not off the charts.

OrangesilkJun 5, 201620 votes

I completely agree with you, this does nothing for tank Fizz since he doesn't desperately NEED Playful/Trickster as a defensive measure, so the increased CD doesn't do a lot.

They should probably either:

A) Go for the Ekko treatment, lower bases, higher scaling. B) Nerf the W since it's the problem ability allowing him to shred toplane tanks.

Clyp30 4funJun 5, 20169 votes

higher scaling? oneshotting carries with 1 single q isn't already enough for u?

SoryInAdvanceJun 5, 20164 votes

id like to see that happen but sadly that has never once happened ever. going e w q may almost kill a vayne, but it a single q will never one shot anyone.

Clyp30 4funJun 5, 20162 votes

http://imgur.com/T9WBixN

KanzlerJun 5, 20166 votes

From that clip his Q killed a squishy at 50% hp. I wouldnt call that a 1 shot....

DrathTurtle314Jun 5, 20165 votes

agreed, there was the Ez Q, plus protobelt rockets, then the fizz Q came out. That's at least 3 abilities hit

Monkey D LuffyJun 5, 20164 votes

So the stupid tank Fizz gets nerfed and ap fizz comes out stronger? I'd rather they just nerfed sunfire and maybe gauntlet... sunfire is responsible for tank Ekko Fizz Akali

AtheosisXJun 5, 20165 votes

And real tanks? Why should their itemization be nerfed because assassins are building tank?

AstôlfoJun 5, 20162 votes

Uh, maybe because Sunfire and Gauntlet are still two absolutely fucking stupid items?

Ozag the MightyJun 5, 20162 votes

On supposed to be squishys yes, on a tank no.

AstôlfoJun 5, 20161 votes

Yes except multiple squishies can all abuse them, and they're still incredibly strong on tanks?

Blackstone01Jun 5, 20164 votes

Maybe it's because those squishies have either high base damage, high utility, or both. Those items aren't incredibly strong on tanks.

My Waifu VanillaJun 5, 20162 votes

Then why does every tank top typically rush Sunfire Cape if it isn't an "incredibly strong" item?

statelesskillerJun 5, 20164 votes

sunfire gives tanks like saaaaaaaayyyyyy nautilis wave clear without using up there mana supply. it can also help rammus top since he can only wave clear with his ult effectively. it also gives decent armor and health

lets be honest. how often do you even NOTICE the sunfire cape burn? late game your passive HP regen outheals the sunfire cape damage its really shit and is only really good for wave clearing around you.

ontop of that if you are constantly shoved to tower your cant TP or roam without risking your tower. the item itself merely gives them a more risky but potentially rewarding early game playstyle

LSmaster16Jun 5, 20169 votes

If he's balanced he would be able to stay on his pole for longer, we want him to be unbalanced so he falls right off.

Lady HammerlockJun 5, 201628 votes

I just freaking realised his auto range is 175 what in the flying fuck

TurquoiseYoshiJun 5, 20163 votes

I'm assuming it's because otherwise, he would be incredibly weak in the early game, weaker than he already is. But with some recent changes, his mid-game power spike got larger, so his early game is being nerfed accordingly.

FokareJun 5, 20161 votes

Kassadin ? I don't see a problem.

TurquoiseYoshiJun 5, 20163 votes

Kassadin is naturally tankier due to his passive, has his Q to farm from afar, and has E for safe mid-range waveclear. Fizz has to be on right top of a minion to clear it, no matter what.

SweetiexJun 5, 201616 votes

Melee champion attack ranges are fucked up in this game anyway. Why does a small fish with a small pole hit further than a big man with a big sword?

spombjopJun 5, 20168 votes

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Melee champion attack ranges are fucked up in this game anyway. Why does a small fish with a small pole hit further than a big man with a big sword?

http://img06.deviantart.net/995f/i/2013/235/1/d/fizz_s_seastone_trident_by_lwzfromcn-d6jc6ok.jpg this looks longer than sword

Lajinn5Jun 6, 20163 votes

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http://img06.deviantart.net/995f/i/2013/235/1/d/fizz_s_seastone_trident_by_lwzfromcn-d6jc6ok.jpg this looks longer than sword

True, but it should be kept in mind that fizz is small as hell, so his reach is far less than a humans. If anything his reach with that polearm might be slightly longer, if not even, to a mans reach with a long sword. Especially if you keep in mind that you have to grip that polearm at about the middle/mid-bottom if you want it to be balanced in the slightest

FantasySniperJun 5, 20163 votes

Tridents have good reach, but yeah, there's no justifying why he has 175 when someone like Aatrox only has 125.

MLDzXnRRRJun 5, 20169 votes

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Tridents have good reach, but yeah, there's no justifying why he has 175 when someone like Aatrox only has 125.

Aatrox has 150 and gets up to 325 when after ult... His problem is not in the range.

Only Play DariusJun 5, 20162 votes

How about they just increase the melee ranges for more melees like they did with Garen Darius Mordekaiser and even it out? It's a much needed improvement in farming against the ranged champs they usually struggle against.

WyrmbladeJun 5, 201613 votes

Prepare for this to get reverted and have his ult become able to crit.

GOL UndecayedJun 5, 20168 votes

Moar Moar Nerfs >:D he needs to be obliterated!

spombjopJun 5, 20167 votes

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http://i.imgur.com/vwMin.gif

time for Leblanc to wreck scrubs on mid again yeey

MunchCrunchLunchJun 5, 20165 votes

about time. it takes about 8 months of complaining to finally nerf a champion

Michael SykesJun 5, 20166 votes

no, he became too strong because of the Ap items changes (cdr is easier to get) and especially because of the tank build, which can only be fixed by changing his w