Never had a good experience playing with a 3-4 man premade. It's always a higher level player carrying one or two lower level players. I just want to play with people my own skill level.
I want an option to not be paired with premades. I'll wait 2 hours to play if I have to.
rtbf2216514128 votesThis isn't a premade issue. This is a matchmaking issue. Premades should be matched up with other premades of the same / similiar elos. This issue has existed in Duo Queue as well.
J Epstein10 votesRight. But it starts becoming an issue when you have 3 or 4 people queuing together.
What always happens is you get one person out of the group who is slightly above your MMR, but the others are way below. On top of this, the new system pairs premades againat solo players of higher rank to balance it out.
So not only am i playing against people of higher rank, i have 2 or 3 players of lower rank in my team, causing a significant lopsided team skill average.
jaymc11302 votes[{quoted}](name=xXBlue FalconXx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HMA6Ey7L,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-06-29T13:55:01.199+0000)
Right. But it starts becoming an issue when you have 3 or 4 people queuing together.
What always happens is you get one person out of the group who is slightly above your MMR, but the others are way below. On top of this, the new system pairs premades againat solo players of higher rank to balance it out.
So not only am i playing against people of higher rank, i have 2 or 3 players of lower rank in my team, causing a significant lopsided team skill average.
DQ in a nutshell. Why do you think diamond players and up in particular have been adamant about not instituting DQ or removing it for Solo Q since December?
We all knew then. Riot's just plain dumb.
Kairya2 votesDiamond players and up in particular?
I always got the impression that it was mostly lower elo players, who jumped on this train since complaining about elo-hell appereantly isn't a thing anymore.
jaymc11302 votesDiamond players and up in particular?
I always got the impression that it was mostly lower elo players, who jumped on this train since complaining about elo-hell appereantly isn't a thing anymore.
We knew instantly, as soon as we read about it on the boards and update notes in December that it would be a disaster. It was obvious that DQ was going to ruin competitive integrity at the highest levels of play and worsen it at lower levels. And this game already had very very very little competitive integrity. Now it has none.
Its not so much that it was just high level players in particular, although this was true (at first), its merely that we pay the most attention to upcoming changes and we knew instantly what the change meant and that it was going to kill the game.
Dextix LT3 votesNo, the lower elos have been quiet. Especially since this gives them the tool to rise faster even though they dont deserve it.
Most complaits come from Platinum/Diamond+ Divisions because it ruins ranked integrity, especially at higher levels of play.
Kairya2 votesI highly doubt that they have been quiet. I mean I have been participating in this discussion and I don't even really play ranked much. I think I managed about 20 games this season including placement. In any case you can define me without a doubt as lower elo player. And I still am capable of understanding this problem. Also there are people who like fair competiton and don't like to get carried, boosted or whatever you want to call it.
Dextix LT1 votesI agree, that there are people like that. However the most prominent ones are still the higer Elo players. And it seems that Riot focuses most on them while leaving lower divisions to fend for themselves.
TheRealBaz1 votes[{quoted}](name=xXBlue FalconXx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HMA6Ey7L,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-06-29T13:55:01.199+0000)
Right. But it starts becoming an issue when you have 3 or 4 people queuing together.
What always happens is you get one person out of the group who is slightly above your MMR, but the others are way below. On top of this, the new system pairs premades againat solo players of higher rank to balance it out.
So not only am i playing against people of higher rank, i have 2 or 3 players of lower rank in my team, causing a significant lopsided team skill average.
having a 3 man group is fin as long as they are with a duo. a 4 man is just stupid
rtbf2216514121 votes[{quoted}](name=xXBlue FalconXx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HMA6Ey7L,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-06-29T13:55:01.199+0000)
Right. But it starts becoming an issue when you have 3 or 4 people queuing together.
This isn't a premade issue. This is a matchmaking issue. Premades should be matched up with other premades of the same / similiar elos. This issue has existed in Duo Queue as well.
Some reason I don't think you read a word I said.
I wonder why...
Johr Dinh1 votesFunny, this was my problem with solo/duo as well. I always felt there was a smurf carrying a game in those too lol. Honestly I rather enjoy playing Duo queue with my friend, almost as much or more than solo sometimes...but I want a true solo queue cuz i'm actually competitive and want the feeling of ranking and getting better as an individual. I feel like this idea is lost on Riot.
KnKitsune2 votesThis isn't a premade issue. This is a matchmaking issue. Premades should be matched up with other premades of the same / similiar elos. This issue has existed in Duo Queue as well.
Matching premades with other premades with similar ELOs has a fairly large fail rate.
How are you gonna have a premade of 1 Silver II(1200 ELO), 2 Gold V(1400-1600 ELO) and match them with another premade of similar ELO? Chances are they won't find that premade and instead fill the gap with Solo players with similar ELO. Thats a rather big Algorithm that Riot needlessly put together.
rtbf2216514121 votesMatching premades with other premades with similar ELOs has a fairly large fail rate.
How are you gonna have a premade of 1 Silver II(1200 ELO), 2 Gold V(1400-1600 ELO) and match them with another premade of similar ELO? Chances are they won't find that premade and instead fill the gap with Solo players with similar ELO. Thats a rather big Algorithm that Riot needlessly put together.
Correct. I rather just have them match with similiar elos rather than just premades with similiar elos at this point. Just let complainers complain.
StrokeMyHammur6 votesSigned, I'd rather wait 10 more minutes per game for decent solo Q matching. Hell, I'd even pay monthly for solo Q.
Lirik3 votessame i would pay monthly for a soloQ god damn... fuck i hate riot
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votesSigned, I'd rather wait 10 more minutes per game for decent solo Q matching. Hell, I'd even pay monthly for solo Q.
I'd rather just make 4 friends and jump right in. I don't even have to know them, did you know theres an inclient chat?
lovely mewmew5 votesif I can play soloQ, I'll wait 3h to play.
CerealBoxOfDoom4 votesorrrr you could just make your own team
J Epstein11 votesI understand why you say this but..
I have one other friend who still plays league, he's in silver, I'm in gold. The reason for matchmaking is to pair me with other players my own skill level. When I Q up, I expect to have fair and equal matches.
MunchCrunchLunch4 votes[{quoted}](name=xXBlue FalconXx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HMA6Ey7L,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-06-29T02:45:50.213+0000)
I understand why you say this but..
I have one other friend who still plays league, he's in silver, I'm in gold. The reason for matchmaking is to pair me with other players my own skill level. When I Q up, I expect to have fair and equal matches.
hes a troll ignore him.
Zerolocke2 votes[{quoted}](name=xXBlue FalconXx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HMA6Ey7L,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-06-29T02:45:50.213+0000)
I understand why you say this but..
I have one other friend who still plays league, he's in silver, I'm in gold. The reason for matchmaking is to pair me with other players my own skill level. When I Q up, I expect to have fair and equal matches.
There can never ever be 100% fair and equal matches, even with old system.
jaymc11304 votesThere can never ever be 100% fair and equal matches, even with old system.
This was true. What doesn't make sense is implementing a new system with a whole bunch of flaws on top of an already flawed older system. You never correct any of the problems and you create all new ones.
I mean, just overlaying the league system on top of the ELO system was bad enough, now we also have legal boosting and uber toxicity by toxic gangs of players allowed?
Just bad for business.
Dextix LT4 votesOrrrrr i could just play solo, you know, how i WANT to play the game? WIthout getting fcked over?
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dextix LT,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HMA6Ey7L,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2016-06-29T19:37:56.873+0000)
Orrrrr i could just play solo, you know, how i WANT to play the game? WIthout getting fcked over?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-u4kiwjr1Rlw/UMognEX-M-I/AAAAAAAAD6k/Tlf9KjpvbBo/s1600/knock-knock.gif
no, actually you can't
deal with it.
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CerealBoxOfDoom1 votesits funny how everyone defending dynamic queue always has a gay name like yours, you must all be girls or gays. How about you go back to aram where you belong
:/ don't call me girl or gay just because you don't have the chest hair to play on a serious full team composition with coordination against other teams doing their best... purple-chan
purplekun2 votes:/ don't call me girl or gay just because you don't have the chest hair to play on a serious full team composition with coordination against other teams doing their best... purple-chan
I would rather have a brain then chest hair cereal box full of sh1t. "play on a serious full team composition with coordination against other teams doing their best" by that you mean stomp as 5 with your amazing boosted animal emblem against people that actually want to get good at the game. Also I looked up your match history, you havent played a single ranked match this season so how can you talk about dynamic queue lol you are a new kind of stupid, and yes you are a girl its pretty obvious
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purplekun2 votesIf you like your brain so much then use it. If you can have a premade but are not then you are simply gimping yourself and your team, end of story no exceptions.
the only ones getting stomped by 5 are those who failed to put a decent team together, 5 man premades wont be able to win with nothing more than boosted animals unless they deserve the win against any level of play, the top levels mostly having other 5 man premades. Youre just going to keep emulating 5 man premade teams to compete anyways this isn't anything new.
You don't know what I play or when I play. Youre the kind of stupid that tries to understand people through match history when you aren't even on a related topic. Its because you have no argument, its because you are a weak person, its because you are easily salted when people touch on your own manhood. Purple-chan, why don't you calm the fuck down and try to make 4 friends.
Damn girl stop being so triggered, I know youre bad but you dont have to prove it to everyone else as well... Lets look at the facts, you havent played ranked this season at all, you played ranked last season but you have no border, the only people with no border are bronze, your runes are bad, your masteries are bad, your builds are bad. Yet how can you talk so much as if you actually know how to play, its probably because you have a distorted view of this game, let me tell you since I played this game since 2010 that its only recently that riot has forced this "team play" down our throats and removed most of the stuff that would separate players and let them showcase their individual skill, dont act as if playing as a team is any different then playing alone, besides abusing it and pounding the ass of people that cant deal with it because of the coordination then theres nothing left to it, because you arent challanger koreans that play on the highest of levels both at mechanics and team coordination. Ranked is an environment where you develop your individual skill not some bs normal mode, thats where this belongs if you fail to understand this its because of your own small mind, girls often defend dynamic queue and act the same as you since they arent competitive and dont understand the feeling of seeing someone thats completly bad and doesnt understand any part of the game yet he somehow is the same rank as you just because of the smartass idea that is dynamic queue
Johr Dinh2 votesSame. I'd rather wait than have even a chance of playing against them. I don't think there'd be much of a smurf problem at all if they had to play alone, but when they have the option to carry friends smurfing becomes way more enticing to people. Or just cuz they get to rek people in front of their friends rather than alone. Also if you want to match people close to your rank and that's your main goal in playing ranked, Solo is definitely the most efficient way of doing that...specially since they don't have to nerf certain premades because they're playing against solo players that will be less effective together as a team.
Wazir2 votesWhile they dont happen too often, games where you play with 3-4 premades are really frustrating.
And this is **not **due to 2-3 of them being "lower level" because this is probably what you perceive after losing one game after they fed and you are salty.
I personaly **hate **it because I feel like Im cut off from their communication. Luckily Riot is implementing methods like Cooldown Pings, but i feel like they could do way more. (like voice com)
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votesso are you saying everyone you get matched with is a different level? Do your teammates and opponents not respect your gameplay and attitude enough that you can simply queue up with someone you played with last game?
Chatillon1 votesI know Im an exception to the rule, but i dont mind playing with Dynamic ques. I mean, sure there is the occasional bossy duo who tells me how to play when they are blatantly wrong and feeding, but it could be much much worse.
Whenever I have a dynamic group, im never mean to the solo/duo and I have only q'd with a plat once.
69982196_DEL1 votesWhy do you play if you don't have a good experience?
