Buff armor

Soul Dealer·Jan 14, 2019·2 votes·2,923 views

Please buff armor it’s so useless. Just played a game against a riven as malphite where I stacked armor and she still deleted me. This is not okay

17 Comments

Warlord RhinarkJan 14, 20192 votes

Armor is not useless.

Penetration is strong.

The EcdysiastJan 14, 20193 votes

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Armor is not useless.

Penetration is strong.

If your enemies have bullets and all you have is armor that's really good against swords, then your armor is useless.

The EcdysiastJan 14, 20191 votes

Well, what we really need is an actual starting item for top lane tanks. Sunfire cape is one of the least gold efficient items in the game, and on top of that any non-tank enemy has the option to build Cleaver first, further reducing the effectiveness of what's essentially your only option.

Soul DealerJan 14, 20191 votes

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Well, what we really need is an actual starting item for top lane tanks. Sunfire cape is one of the least gold efficient items in the game, and on top of that any non-tank enemy has the option to build Cleaver first, further reducing the effectiveness of what's essentially your only option.

Also conquer is a thing too

The EcdysiastJan 14, 20191 votes

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Also conquer is a thing too

Conqueror, infinity edge, Guinsoo's, a buffed bork. There's oddly plenty to ignore armor now-- after they nerfed tank items to rely more on their armor than HP.

Soul DealerJan 14, 20191 votes

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Conqueror, infinity edge, Guinsoo's, a buffed bork. There's oddly plenty to ignore armor now-- after they nerfed tank items to rely more on their armor than HP.

It’s because the boards start complaing if tanks actually do their job because everybody on the boards wants to play high damage champions and if they can’t kill something it immediately considered op and has to be nerfed

The EcdysiastJan 15, 20191 votes

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It’s because the boards start complaing if tanks actually do their job because everybody on the boards wants to play high damage champions and if they can’t kill something it immediately considered op and has to be nerfed

What we need to do is buff the champions, not armor. It's an issue when just one armor item can make a diver-- or worse, a juggernaut-- able to build mostly damage on top of an already damage-oriented kit.

Soul DealerJan 15, 20191 votes

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What we need to do is buff the champions, not armor. It's an issue when just one armor item can make a diver-- or worse, a juggernaut-- able to build mostly damage on top of an already damage-oriented kit.

The item that juggernauts abuse is black cleaver. I will always believe that item should be removed from the game despite people saying it’s trash. It gives a lot of tankyness and damage as well as cdr and armor shread. It’s not a balanced item

The EcdysiastJan 15, 20191 votes

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The item that juggernauts abuse is black cleaver. I will always believe that item should be removed from the game despite people saying it’s trash. It gives a lot of tankyness and damage as well as cdr and armor shread. It’s not a balanced item

It's not that Cleaver is unbalanced, but that top lane tanks don't have a starting item option like every other class. Other classes have Trinity, Cleaver, Jungle items, Luden's/GLP/Archangel's.

Sunfire is just not a fair contender. It's the least gold efficient of any first buy, but also intended to be purchased on the class with the weakest ability to earn gold.

I've broken down the cost difference before: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/5FsJfYi6-sunfire-cape-costs-more-than-black-cleaver

Soul DealerJan 15, 20191 votes

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It's not that Cleaver is unbalanced, but that top lane tanks don't have a starting item option like every other class. Other classes have Trinity, Cleaver, Jungle items, Luden's/GLP/Archangel's.

Sunfire is just not a fair contender. It's the least gold efficient of any first buy, but also intended to be purchased on the class with the weakest ability to earn gold.

I've broken down the cost difference before: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/5FsJfYi6-sunfire-cape-costs-more-than-black-cleaver

Black cleave is still a disgusting item that needs to be changed drastically

Daddy AntsJan 14, 20191 votes

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Conqueror, infinity edge, Guinsoo's, a buffed bork. There's oddly plenty to ignore armor now-- after they nerfed tank items to rely more on their armor than HP.

Conqueror is possibly getting nerfed in 9.2

Infinity Edge is being reverted with a weaker crit damage % amplifier.

BOTRK is Physical damage so armor reduces it.

CdoreJan 14, 20191 votes

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Conqueror is possibly getting nerfed in 9.2

Infinity Edge is being reverted with a weaker crit damage % amplifier.

BOTRK is Physical damage so armor reduces it.

Botrk is HP%, which you build to synergize with resists. Since a lot of your effective health gets neutralized, Botrk makes it worse.

Daddy AntsJan 14, 20194 votes

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Botrk is HP%, which you build to synergize with resists. Since a lot of your effective health gets neutralized, Botrk makes it worse.

BoTRK isn't even a broken item. Not even close.

CdoreJan 16, 20191 votes

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BoTRK isn't even a broken item. Not even close.

Except it makes it irrelevant to build health cause that means adcs will always be able to knock you down in chunks of percentages. Since arm pen is ripe and plenty in the game, as well, tanks get over 3K value of their items minimum made irrelevant.

Warlord RhinarkJan 14, 20191 votes