Camille is just a better Irelia.

ArnoldSchwarzens··6 votes·1,353 views

Both are dueling divers with a lot of burst damage, both want to take a single high priority target out and then support their team with further damage.

Well Camille also has much much more gapclosing mobility and escape mechanics on top of that which means that there is not really a point in picking Irelia anymore since Camille does her job better than she does.

And how often have you heard that phrase, especially from pro players? "Champion XY is fine but champion YZ just does his/her job better than him/her."

At this point, new champions that come out often have that problem of filling niches that are already filled by one or more other champions which means that these champions just become discount versions of the new champion.

Please, when introducing a new champion, just ask yourselves: Does the game really need this champion? Sure, Camille is cool and all but she doesn't really add anything to the game that it needed and that it didn't already have.

I mean take Gangplank for example, he added a ton for the game that it needed. It gave poke combs a toplaner, it created a poking fighter with a lot of disengage. He added something the game didn't have before, he filled a niche that wasn't filled before, he just made the game overall more diverse.

And while Camille's character, lore and theme are really awesome, the game just didn't need her, which is a shame if you consider all the effort that was put into her.

15 Comments

Ralanr1 votes

Considering Irelia is getting a rework eventually I don't see the problem.

At least Camille has to jump to a wall to stun you. Not just in the middle of a trade.

ArnoldSchwarzens1 votes

If they rework Irelia and don't preserve her identity that will just be a dick move against all Irelia players. Sure, they can change her so that she isn't a bursting diver/duelist but it wouldn't be something that most Irelia players would like imo.

Ralanr2 votes

The problem is that Irelia doesn't really live up to her intended archetype (psi-blades. Literally everything except her ult could be portrayed with a regular sword and her ult makes little sense when her kit is built on getting in closer). So any gameplay identity that she had that her mains liked can probably be salvaged through Camille if her rework doesn't support it.

And at least Camille is interactive in lane. Overtunned at the moment? Yes, but more interactive than Irelia imo.

WoonStruck1 votes

Or what if its her weapons that are unfitting?

Her weapons could literally be changed to 2 dao (basically already is 4 dao) and she would be no different as a champion, and could even have a decent ult or W. Hell, you could replace them with clubs and she'd be a more complete champion.

It would be better to throw the "Psy-blade" 'theme' on a completely different champion, imo.


Ionian general is closer to her theme than 'psy-blade wielder'.

Ralanr1 votes

That would work, but Riot has already plugged her into the archetype of "psi-blade user"

Honestly I find Irelia to be a dumb champion both gameplay and thematically. I hope she gets something to better solidify herself in theme and not straight up tilt me whenever I fight her.

WoonStruck1 votes

Irelia would be better as a champion if her R and W were re-done.

She'd no longer be tied to Trinity Force and could have more interactive things added to her kit that way too.

The Q/E interactions (as opposed to generic gapcloser+automatic stun) during laning make her an interesting champion; unfortunately that likely won't remain in her kit. Its just the stat-check that follows with W/R's Trinity Force interactions that make her cancer to deal with.

Ralanr1 votes

Change her E and R and I'll probably be content. I hate both of those abilities.

One is tilting and the other doesn't make sense.

Kaisa is Hot1 votes

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Considering Irelia is getting a rework eventually I don't see the problem.

At least Camille has to jump to a wall to stun you. Not just in the middle of a trade.

Yeah but it hones in on a target, making the range toxic long.

Astôlfo2 votes

No, it doesn't. It's a skillshot.

Rebonack1 votes

Irelia with a free-targeted, wall jumping dash, basically.

Doesn't even have to be at lower health to stun you. But at least you can dodge it.

JhomasTefferson1 votes

I feel like this is true to a point, although Camille does it as more of a assassin/bruiser, whereas irelia is bruiser or tank.

Camille also has a higher skillcap, and can be punished harder for misplays, and doesn't have a dash in/dash out ability, their escape is their initiation, and they cant use it immediately again like irelia.

Myrmiron1 votes

Except that tanky bruisers these days get almost one-shotted if they aren't stupidly far ahead. Irelia can only dash out again if a lot of conditions are met. Most times Irelia will use her gap closer to initiate on a target or as an extra damage source. I think OP is correct, but only because of Irelia being in such a bad place right now.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

Irelia was made to be a melee DPS, but she had to be nerfed, because of the stun. Camille was not designed to be a DPS champion. I'm not sure why you compare her to Irelia when she feels like the new Fiora.

WoonStruck2 votes

She didn't have to be nerfed because of the stun lol...

You got your history wrong.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

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She didn't have to be nerfed because of the stun lol...

You got your history wrong.

Ofc, it's all about the stun, the whole OPness of Irelia is because of the stun, but they didn't want to touch this part of her kit for many years.

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