I think Dynamic Q and MMR are not doing their job well enough.

I write a thread about this but no one listens... Whether it is due to boosters, smurfs, boostees playing/trying to play at a higher rank, premades causing solo players to rage, or all of the above affect the game :/ Plat this season is a crapshoot of different levels of play. Just saying~

There is no solution, mmr will always be broken under dynamic.

big premades aready ruin balance by default, last season duo queue was already a problem but now you get 3-4-5 with a huge range as standard. Then you have to also account for role pick, the poor mmr need to go to the end of the spacetime continuum for getting that missing support.

ranked mmr is not better than the normal one.

MMR works rather well at matching players of similar skill in most scenarios. Last season, most of my games would be fairly even skillwise and everyone in the game would be within about three divisions of one another.

However, the existence of premades tends to make this more difficult. If there is a difference of ten divisions between two members of a premade (i.e. Gold V and Platinum 1), then matchmaking will have to adjust but there isn't really a good way to do so that won't make certain lanes into outright stomps (i.e. Gold V has to lane against a Platinum 3, etc).

tl;dr Dynamic Queue sucks.

Just wish I could see people's mmr like the old elo system. Would add a ton of clarity on why certain people are in certain games.

MMR is based off of elo which was made for single players, not groups. Consequently, it's just not going to work that effectively for dynamic queue. The system considers the MMR of a Gold 5 and Plat 1 to be pretty much the same as a Gold 1 and a Plat 5. Then there's the obvious premade advantage which Riot tries to compensate for by matching them with higher MMR solo players. But annoyingly enough, they always err on the side of caution for premades. Not once have solo players ever had the advantage since dynamic queue came out (they still don't) even though they've been screwed the hardest. Riot could have easily made it to where solo players had the advantage to make up for pissing all over their solo queue and then balanced it from the other direction, but they clearly care more about premades.

Matchmaking is shit. Always has been. Dynamic Queue bringing in people with like 4 ranks between them then matching you against people two levels above you to balance out the fact your team has pre makes. So frustrating.

DQ totally fks up the true MMR, especially when the difference in premades is huge, like a silver 1 duos with a plat 3.

So the system will have trouble finding another premade with exact same ranked silver 1 and plat 3 players, so the opposing team are usually higher than silver 1, but lower that plat 3. And I've seen this a lot where you often find that oddball in your game where most of you are plat/ gold and that one silver, which of course goes 0-9. I for one would want to be on the opposite team of the silver one because that plat premade will often not pick up his premade silver slack.

Hence why DQ is a clown fiesta and doesn't belong in ranked.

the thing is tho.... no one play league now... they all play overwatch...... not enough player you know..... sad sad story.... [zombie-nunu-tears]

Nah, it's completely fine for a Plat to play with Silvers.

Thoughts? Bring backsolo/duo and kill off dynamic. It is an inherently failed system.

The issue is, in order to have proper matchmakeing with dynamic que, there has to be a missmatch on skill to balance out premade vs non-premade.

Any queue is going to be miss matching as long as boosting happens. Dynamic or not its been this way before, just worse since you can queue with more people to boost at once.

what do you expect since the MMR thing does not respect your performance. You can be the only one in the entire game with S Rank but when you are about to lose 20 LP you lose 20 LP because you know performance grade == skill

I don't think so. If I'm in a game that feels unbalanced it's usually because someone is massively on tilt. It's hardly ever the case that we're getting stomped just because the other team is more skilled.

This wouldn't be my main concern.. a bunch of 4 or 5 silver premade can easily win against some gold-plat players unless they are premade as well. This is just a scenario, very unlikely but not as unlikely as same-mmr premade vs non-premade matches.

I know personally a Silver 4 (for 3 seasons) who is now Diamond 2 thanks to this season.

Been carried out of his mind.

Id like to see a strait up solo que only option just to see some stats on that. Just for curiosity sake.

everyone knows dynamic q was a mistake. every time i get a 3-4 man premade i want to go afk

Yeah, I may be low ranked but I just had someone who plays aram exclusively join my ranked game with me in Silver II and feed his ass off...someone playing first time ranked should be matched with ~Silver 5s, not high Silver/Gold 5.

I had a game earlier and my team was 3 silver 5s, a bronze 2, and a silver 2. The other team had a diamond 3, plat 5, gold 3, gold 5, and silver 3. THAT LITERALLY MAKES NO SENSE!!!

the new DQ and MMR simply suck i am in silver unraked Aram and trey throw me into matches with gold and plat players that have nothing less than 100-500 wins under their belt. and i get stuck with bronze or unraked with more than 50 loses and now wins. WTF did i do to get this horse shit ? . im so toxic after 2 weeks of this bs im suprized i havent been reported for feeding or being a bot. and after the one normal i did PiSSSH i might as well just play bot matchs all day and feed till 50 min mark with a bunch of lvl 1's if i wanted to get anywhere. cant push towers cant defend towers get so out payed you want to call HAX. no way a plat and gold player can burst down a full health garen under his tower at lvl 15 and most his build. while the towers are cooking dps.... wrong how is that even posable they didnt even have that much health.

in short the past 2 weeks have me so pissed and toxic at the bs going on with MMR and DQ i broke my laptop in a fit of rage and our sliding glass door oh i was pissed. how is riot going to match people like that. send a kid into a gun fight with a knife against marines with sniper rifles and land mines. i'd rather listen to laugh non stop for 2 weeks than deall with this new system

considering how much people are vocal and seem to spend alot of time on this game and how much of them are playing normals or the weekend game mode compared to ranked you you should expect people up to 7 divisions away from you and i think its pretty fair considering thats where you want to be you should have to prove yourself agains them especially if you have been on a winning streak (which most people claim to because they dont want to seem like a scrub who loses . i dont really think team play vs slow is fair but thats another thing

We need a complete ladder rehaul to be honest, the tiers are way too generous and the current system rewards 50% winrate far more than it should

http://www.pvpdatabase.com/?p=1253

Honestly ide be fine with DQ if they made it so its 5 man Q outside o3f ranked but in ranked its solo/duo like the old days

Plat is the new Gold of previous Seasons. A shitstorm of good and bad players that constantly want to climb and the occasional Smurfs that runs through almost every game they play (You'd think this wouldn't be a problem by the 6th Season of the game).

The standard deviation of MMR is completely fucked now, yeah.

Your assumption is correct.

I meet smurfs constantly that I have no chance against. I look up their profile and see some insane win streak. Why am I being put against these people? It's not fair.