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How many years before Riot realizes lethality is the worst decision they've ever made

Jefftiffy··1 votes·505 views

Let's take armor pen the thing that was made to snowball early game. Tone it down by about 33% early but make it scale to about 133% later. And then lets add even more items to it that just add raw damage to already early game kits that are basically doing true damage to everything but tanks.

PSA: Assassins and ADCs can never be balanced as long as lethality is the state it is in. Right now ADCs are balanced around being hit for true damage by an assassin in a duration so short that not even pros have the reflexes. I've watched pros and high elo streamers die in .1s to Rengar. No one in their right mind can say that is okay. And it's not even just him. It's how his class is being balanced. Honestly item 3814 and item 3147 are straight up broken by design. They give no counter play to the champion facing them. Absolutely none.

I may not be a top tier player, but I have played enough of this game to understand that lethality has backed assassins into the one shot or be one shot role and that's pretty damn f'd up if you ask me.

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Anatera1 votes

I don't think they're capable of it.

EyasHawk1 votes

I mean, Its not like a cloth armor (15 armor) costing 300 Gold can completely negate 1100 Gold worth of lethality (6-10 amor pen Dirk) and its not like a pair of boots worth 1100 Gold can counter 4000 gold worth of lethality or anything... Oh, wait, they actually do! Duskblade+ dirk give 18 and 10 lethality respectively, that's 11 to 18 armor pen based on level for DB and 6-10 armor pen for dirk. So you get a total of 17-28 armor pen, Ninja Tabi gives 30 armor, effectively negating both.

Additionally, if you happen to be an AP champion, you can counter 5800 Gold worth of lethality (Duskblade+ Ghostblade) just by getting the 1200 Gold worthy seeker's armguards (30 to 45 armor when stacked).

I agree that lethality was a bad idea, but not because it is OP. But rather because of how useless it is. The whole reason Assassin's have been forced to rush Duskblade everygame is because of its passive proc which deals a huge amount of damage, not because of lethality which everyone can easily render useless with just one defensive item.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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I mean, Its not like a cloth armor (15 armor) costing 300 Gold can completely negate 1100 Gold worth of lethality (6-10 amor pen Dirk) and its not like a pair of boots worth 1100 Gold can counter 4000 gold worth of lethality or anything... Oh, wait, they actually do! Duskblade+ dirk give 18 and 10 lethality respectively, that's 11 to 18 armor pen based on level for DB and 6-10 armor pen for dirk. So you get a total of 17-28 armor pen, Ninja Tabi gives 30 armor, effectively negating both.

Additionally, if you happen to be an AP champion, you can counter 5800 Gold worth of lethality (Duskblade+ Ghostblade) just by getting the 1200 Gold worthy seeker's armguards (30 to 45 armor when stacked).

I agree that lethality was a bad idea, but not because it is OP. But rather because of how useless it is. The whole reason Assassin's have been forced to rush Duskblade everygame is because of its passive proc which deals a huge amount of damage, not because of lethality which everyone can easily render useless with just one defensive item.

Actually that is kind of incorrect because of how new armor pen works. With lethality being calculated last most people build % armor pen and then have so much lethality it negates most of the left over armor on everyone but the tank making your damage essentially true damage. It should go back to before where it was flat armor pen then % to make it less useful in the late game.

EyasHawk1 votes

You obvious never played any AD Assassin, otherwise you would know that there is literally only one AD % armor pen item (last whisper) and which only works on Bonus armor, so basically if someone has 30 armor (Tabi) it would only give 10 armor pen against them for 1300 Gold (even worse than lethality items). No one is going to build that on an Assassin unless they are basically full build. Also AD Assassin's fall off extremely hard late game when everyone outscales them and get defensive items.

Please stop spreading misinformation, the issue is not lethality but Duskblade proc. And the only reason we even need Duskblade in the game is because of how useless lethality as a whole is, and even then, it will get nerfed next patch.

haaaaaaalp1 votes

You do realize that the old armor pen ystem was much worse right? Ghost blade was a straight 20 armor pen at all levels instead of 11 to 18 and last whisper was % total armor instead of % bonus armor.

The problem with kha and rengar is that junglers as a whole are too powerful. They hit level 3 before solo laners and are always at near full hp to gank. The old amor pen system would make them much worse.

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