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Bruisers dictate too much.

The thigh guy·Mar 17, 2019·7 votes·1,142 views

Guess I’m farming dislikes cause 90% of the boards are hashinshins but w/e.

So. Why are bruisers just handed everything?

Squishes who deal a lot of damage a problem? Oh just get a steriks and one shot them while being nearly unkillable.

Getting kited too easily? That’s okay, Just grab righteous glory and run them down.

Tanks being too tanky and you can’t instant kill them? Just grab conquerer or a black cleaver and watch them melt. :D

Team needs a frontline? Hey, you do that as well, because you get about as tanky as a tank.

Team needs an assassin for some reason? Just pick up that good ol triforce steriks and melt people.

Going into a hard lane? Grasp will keep you trucking through.

True damage becoming a problem? Just blow them up with your ludacris damage!

You need cc for your team. Well, do I have a champion for you! Her name is riven!

Turrets? Haha. What’s a turret! You can just 1v1 them with your 4000 hp, 400 ad and 300 armor.

Point being. Bruisers are just everything. They play as every class better than that class themselves. We need to tone them back so they don’t just dictate existence.

19 Comments

ChrisBrownzeMar 17, 20193 votes

Got autofilled top, with a useless mid and bot lane but I was jax. Farmed by spltting, showed up to fights, deleted everyone, (got two triples) won the game. As a jungle main who is getting fucked by the current xp system. I cant stress how easy this game becomes when your lane naturally gives you the highest level in the game and you outlevel all your opponents while also being tanky and dealing ridiculous amounts of damage.

JamareeMar 17, 20193 votes

You can't factor items into saying they remove champions weaknesses because with that logic, no champion has any weaknesses.

Also, you can't assume they will always have that item, especially if you kick their teeth in in lane, then you are left with a champion who has to be balls deep to do their damage without the items necessary to survive being punched to death.

/thread.

The thigh guyMar 17, 20191 votes

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You can't factor items into saying they remove champions weaknesses because with that logic, no champion has any weaknesses.

Also, you can't assume they will always have that item, especially if you kick their teeth in in lane, then you are left with a champion who has to be balls deep to do their damage without the items necessary to survive being punched to death.

/thread.

Every champion builds items. You cannot discount items because THEY ARE IN EVERY GAME.

By your logic Rageblade Vayne is perfectly balanced because she needs an item.

JamareeMar 17, 20191 votes

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Every champion builds items. You cannot discount items because THEY ARE IN EVERY GAME.

By your logic Rageblade Vayne is perfectly balanced because she needs an item.

Yes, every champion builds items, but those items don't remove flaws in their kit that are inherent. Juggs are harder to kite the more items they get, this doesn't change the fact they are still prone to being kited.

Adcs are naturally squishy and building some armor and MR relives SOME of the stress, but doesn't just suddenly make the tanks. The list goes on.

You also can't be using dream scenarios when it comes to balance. Because every champion in their dream scenario with exact items they want will all do stupid shit, if we are using your logic, why does Kayn get to just instantly pop people with his ultimate then float away through a wall after buying lots of CD, shouldn't his weakness be CDs?

The thigh guyMar 17, 20191 votes

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Yes, every champion builds items, but those items don't remove flaws in their kit that are inherent. Juggs are harder to kite the more items they get, this doesn't change the fact they are still prone to being kited.

Adcs are naturally squishy and building some armor and MR relives SOME of the stress, but doesn't just suddenly make the tanks. The list goes on.

You also can't be using dream scenarios when it comes to balance. Because every champion in their dream scenario with exact items they want will all do stupid shit, if we are using your logic, why does Kayn get to just instantly pop people with his ultimate then float away through a wall after buying lots of CD, shouldn't his weakness be CDs?

Way to ignore the argument.

Explain Vayne. She is stated by many people to be broken out her ass with Rageblade. So if items can’t make something broken explain that? Or are the pros wrong and nothing can ever be broken because items?

And fine. we’ll use your kayn example. He has can pop people because oh, he has a powerful passive with a cooldown and is virtually worthless after he pops it. And his e has 1 second duration in combat.

JamareeMar 17, 20191 votes

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Way to ignore the argument.

Explain Vayne. She is stated by many people to be broken out her ass with Rageblade. So if items can’t make something broken explain that? Or are the pros wrong and nothing can ever be broken because items?

That isn't what I'm saying, I'm not saying champions aren't broken, I'm not saying items aren't broken, I'm not saying items on certain champions aren't broken or certain items on champions aren't broken. I'm saying that items don't just remove champion's flaws. You are saying that "Ohh, juggs can just buy whatever and do whatever." and that isn't true as their win rates, play rates, and ban rates clearly reflect that.

The highest win rate jugg is Shyvana at 52.9%, and she isn't even being played as a jugg, she is being played as a mage.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Shyvana/

Nasus at 52%, then Illaoi at 51%, Garen at 51%, Darius at 50%, the list goes on.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/grid/

The thigh guyMar 17, 20191 votes

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That isn't what I'm saying, I'm not saying champions aren't broken, I'm not saying items aren't broken, I'm not saying items on certain champions aren't broken or certain items on champions aren't broken. I'm saying that items don't just remove champion's flaws. You are saying that "Ohh, juggs can just buy whatever and do whatever." and that isn't true as their win rates, play rates, and ban rates clearly reflect that.

The highest win rate jugg is Shyvana at 52.9%, and she isn't even being played as a jugg, she is being played as a mage.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Shyvana/

Nasus at 52%, then Illaoi at 51%, Garen at 51%, Darius at 50%, the list goes on.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/grid/

Fine. So you are telling me, runeglaive Ezreal wasn’t broken?

You’re telling me the ad onhit neeko wasn’t broke?.

Ibg victor top wasn’t broken?

And these champions just got gutted for no reason because they were perfectly balanced and riot was just wrong nerfing them?

Because everything these champions did was sure up weaknesses like you state.

JamareeMar 17, 20191 votes

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Fine. So you are telling me, runeglaive Ezreal wasn’t broken?

You’re telling me the ad onhit neeko wasn’t broke?.

Ibg victor top wasn’t broken?

And these champions just got gutted for no reason because they were perfectly balanced and riot was just wrong nerfing them?

Because everything these champions did was sure up weaknesses like you state.

Again, not what I'm saying. Yes, they were broken, but they didn't just remove the problems they still had, what they did do was let them be such a step ahead of every other champion that it wasn't fair.

What I'm once again stating is that you can't just say that items REMOVE problems that champions have, because Juggs can STILL be kited even with items.

The thigh guyMar 17, 20191 votes

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Again, not what I'm saying. Yes, they were broken, but they didn't just remove the problems they still had, what they did do was let them be such a step ahead of every other champion that it wasn't fair.

What I'm once again stating is that you can't just say that items REMOVE problems that champions have, because Juggs can STILL be kited even with items.

Except that’s what bruisers ARE doing. Their weaknesses are being flat out removed. Your options when a bruiser runs at you with a righteous glory is flash or bite the pillow. That’s it. Those are your options. And even flash might not save you.

Bruisers are a step ahead of EVERY other champion now. They do EVERYTHING every other champion does, but better.

JamareeMar 17, 20191 votes

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Except that’s what bruisers ARE doing. Their weaknesses are being flat out removed. Your options when a bruiser runs at you with a righteous glory is flash or bite the pillow. That’s it. Those are your options. And even flash might not save you.

Bruisers are a step ahead of EVERY other champion now. They do EVERYTHING every other champion does, but better.

If that was honestly true, why don't they have win rates, play rates, or ban rates to showcase that. If they were ACTUALLY better then every other champion, wouldn't they see more play then them, not less?

The thigh guyMar 17, 20191 votes

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If that was honestly true, why don't they have win rates, play rates, or ban rates to showcase that. If they were ACTUALLY better then every other champion, wouldn't they see more play then them, not less?

Oh yeah. 6/10 highest pick rare top. Totally not being picked often. :/

JamareeMar 17, 20191 votes

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Oh yeah. 6/10 highest pick rare top. Totally not being picked often. :/

That really isn't all that much, 6th most played top...with an 8.3% play rate, and only 50% win rate? As opposed to Riven with a 14% and 53% win rate, or with a 53% and 10% respectively, or Jax with a 51% and 8.7.

They get played an average amount of time and unlike Nami, or Udyr, or Riven, or Soraka who all have high win rates and play rates, higher then literally every other Bruiser except Nasus, they don't even have above average win rates either.

So I ask again, if they were REALLY that dominating and ACTUALLY better then other champions, why do they not have stats to showcase that?

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/home/

CrazyMonkeyCZMar 17, 2019

So runeglaive Ezreal didn't just removed Ezs biggest weaknest which was pushing? Streraks doesn't remove weakness of being squishy? Zhoneys doesn't remove weakness of being one shotted etc. etc. You are either drunk or you are lacking sleep, go to bed.

Btw, Juggs problem with being kited can be negated by righteous glory, but since stats suck on that, no one cares.

The point is, items aren't there just for stats(mana regen is stat but it removes weakness as well), they are there for shifting/removing your weaknesses.

ı Sona ıMar 17, 20191 votes

Have you tried Sona top yet?

[sg-lux-2]

The thigh guyMar 17, 20191 votes

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Have you tried Sona top yet?

[sg-lux-2]

Have you tried zed adc yet?

ı Sona ıMar 21, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H9n8Jb92,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-03-17T08:21:45.228+0000)

Have you tried zed adc yet?

I don't play Zed personally but I have experienced an ADC Zed on my team and it was a fascinating win! Leona Support as well so it was in his favor honestly.

KingLCMMar 17, 20191 votes

At least try to be unbiased. This is a straight up shitpost.

How could you blame the people downvoting this absurdity?

The thigh guyMar 17, 20191 votes

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At least try to be unbiased. This is a straight up shitpost.

How could you blame the people downvoting this absurdity?

You realize I play bruisers right? :/ I’m a fucking kayn one trick.

CrazyMonkeyCZMar 17, 2019

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edit: respect to op, bcs of how he destroyed Jamaree's stupid arguments.

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