This isn't a QQ thread but..
He has a Pull, 1.5 second stun, 2 Person Shield, Escape / Engage tool for ADC, AoE displacement, self peel, slow, poke, infinitely stacking armor / ap, AoE 99% 2 second slow, high base damages, and tanky stats.
Why is thresh so overloaded compared to all other supports? He shouldn't be able to do literally everything. The only thing he lacks is a heal.
Dextix LT14 votesBeccause CertainlyT.
Nuff said.
Tysmin12 votessounds like most of that is in lulu's kit
Marthian7 votesExcept she doesn't have scaling armor or AP, is squishier, and isn't super threatening at all points in the game.
Tysmin5 votesthat is why i said most and you have obviously never seen lulu mid if she isn't super threatening
Athenes Lulu5 votesI think "annoying" is a better term to describe me.
TheLittlestLulu1 votessounds like most of that is in lulu's kit
i'm not gonna say Lulu doesn't have a strong kit but at least she actually has to manage mana.
Athenes Lulu1 votesWas waiting for someone to say this. ######Also notice me, senpai.
TheLittlestLulu1 votes[{quoted}](name=Cancerous Lulu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H7VsMALQ,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2015-09-14T21:02:54.818+0000)
Was waiting for someone to say this. ######Also notice me, senpai. hi
is everyone else using discussion view or something? it's so weird getting notifications for someone responding to me but then i don't see any quote.
Athenes Lulu1 voteshi
is everyone else using discussion view or something? it's so weird getting notifications for someone responding to me but then i don't see any quote.
Yes.
I started using that too because a lot of people's posts are confusing the sh!t out of me.
Hayaishi212 votesBecause he has counterplay.
Fadedpf20 votesChampion has counterplay ≠ Champion is balanced and has no flaws.
Hayaishi25 votesChampion has conterplay ≠ Champion is balanced and has no flaws.
He obv has his flaws but he is healthier than Janna/soraka/sona/lulu hence why he can be viable and we don't have to ban him because the meta favors him like Lulu.
Idk why would any of you prefer the non interaction bullshit those supports provide than Thresh's kit despite being overloaded offers enough counterplay to outplay him.
Dextix LT9 votesThe only counterplay to thresh is that the thresh is bad and doesnt utilize his skills. That is sadly not counterpplay and it is not enough. His kit is so overloaded that he can do almost anything.
Hayaishi23 votes[{quoted}](name=Dextix LT,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H7VsMALQ,comment-id=0009000000000001,timestamp=2015-09-13T05:06:09.154+0000)
The only counterplay to thresh is that the thresh is bad and doesnt utilize his skills. That is sadly not counterpplay and it is not enough. His kit is so overloaded that he can do almost anything.
So you can't dodge his hook or his flay? can't you stand on top of his lantern ( although i admit his lantern has VERY low counterplay, but it's there)
Seriously, i know i took the bait hard but that comment was incredibly dumb.
Dextix LT8 votesIm sorry, but flay is a melle range aoe skill, dodging that is near imposible, i know it, i play thresh. And his hook can be dodged, but because of his kit it doesnt matter. Unlike someone like blitzcrank he isnt punished. Also, a good thresh will cath you even if you try to dodge.
And standing on his lantern is still the most bugged shit ever.
Again, his counterplay boils down to him being bad and unable to hit his skills, which can happen to anyone.
ImSoFull2 votes[{quoted}](name=Dextix LT,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H7VsMALQ,comment-id=000900000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-09-13T05:28:26.156+0000)
Im sorry, but flay is a melle range aoe skill, dodging that is near imposible, i know it, i play thresh. And his hook can be dodged, but because of his kit it doesnt matter. Unlike someone like blitzcrank he isnt punished. Also, a good thresh will cath you even if you try to dodge.
And standing on his lantern is still the most bugged shit ever.
Again, his counterplay boils down to him being bad and unable to hit his skills, which can happen to anyone.
Meh. His q is pretty hard to land once you get higher up and people have brains. Don't complain about getting hooked if you're standing still passed you minion wave autoatcking minions. Most adc in laning phase can dodge his q fairly easy. But i do agree that his lantern has little to no counterplay. Maybe add an hp bar to it? 3shots to destroy it. His e is fine imo. His ult is also fine imo. It could do less damage and have a reduced slow like 80%
Ryot Nomad4 votesIf his Q is so damn easy to dodge why are the damn pros in LCS getting hooked? Yeah it can be dodged but don't make it seem as if its impossible to get hooked.
Ulquiorra99512 votesActually, Thresh is far more toxic than those other champions. Reason? There is one thing Janna, Soraka and Sona have in common but Thresh lacks: Weakness.
Janna is the queen of peel, true, but "non-interactive bullshit"? God forbid we actually have dedicated defensive supports instead of "let's make plays and kill something" Soraka may heal like crazy but can do very little once you go ham on her. Sona needs to go into AA range to do her job effectively which puts her in range of every engage botlane has to offer, and her only defines is an extremely long CD ultimate.
And offers enough counterplay? Hardly. Only skill that offers counterplay is the hook. E is instant PBAoE, R is undodgeable unless your flash, and lantern is more bullshit than entire Sona's kit combined.
Sorry but if the champion is most picked/banned in his role in pro play and reaches 40% pick rate in average play then there is a problem. At this point, balanced or not, he should be nerfed anyway for the sake of variety. Or he's balanced but all those people pick him solely for the fun factor?
darkmatchwaldo2 votesThat's the thing though, you'll never get on top of a good
unless she misplays. If she has even half decent positioning and can land her E-Q, you'll never catch her. You manage to flank her from the side and get on top of her? She can just E-Q right on top of herself making it pretty much impossible to miss, healing her, silencing you, probably stunning you, and then she can just
walk right out, and that's not even considering if her ult is up or not.
50000000000000001 votesWhy are you walking into her E?
darkmatchwaldo1 votesIt's really easy to hit when someone is targeting you. You see them commit towards you and just drop the E in their path. The instant cast makes it pretty much impossible to avoid.
Marthian2 votesNot very good counterplay.
VDc0zCqe0w6 votesBecause he has counterplay.
implying most of the other supports haven't
He obv has his flaws but he is healthier than Janna/soraka/sona/lulu hence why he can be viable and we don't have to ban him because the meta favors him like Lulu.
Idk why would any of you prefer the non interaction bullshit those supports provide than Thresh's kit despite being overloaded offers enough counterplay to outplay him.
only soraka is non-interactive in that list, all the other ones have to take risks if they want to harras (wich you should do as support if you don't suck)
So you can't dodge his hook or his flay? can't you stand on top of his lantern ( although i admit his lantern has VERY low counterplay, but it's there)
"Just dodge the hooks"
"Just pink ward the flay"
Stellafreyja10 votes
and now he can heal. :D
BuzzinTate3 votes
too
Baunjo1 votesand now any champion that buys that item can heal? :P
Thryale8 votes"Because screw you, that's why."
but yeah, honestly, thresh just does too much atm.
AtheosisX7 votesBecause that's how CertainlyT rolls.
A Miss Fortune2 votesYep.
Every single champion he ever made, and even champions he's only touched with little details turned out to be insanely overpowered and game breaking on release. Even Zyra who's so bad she's almost exclusively played as a Support now, was one of the most overpowered champions in the game before.
SlytherinUmbreon1 votesCertainlyTrolls cannot be unseen.
Teridax687 votesA while back, the design philosophy for supports was that they had to offer a broad enough range of CC and/or utility to compensate for the fact that they had little to no scaling, which led to "do-everything supports" like 
, 
, 
and 
. This was also the first champion designed by CertainlyT that truly had a lot of different effects on his kit, and it's likely the design team was OK with giving him as much stuff to do as he has now. Changes to the meta and to champions ended up favoring tank and peel supports, which is one of the reasons why Thresh, who can do both really well, is so prominently picked.
I agree that Thresh has too much on his kit, and arguably he covers multiple niches at once, while never truly suffering even in the worst matchups or comps (he always has at least one good answer), Overall, I think the issue comes from him being able to poke as a tank, and being able to offer defensive utility while having a kit that mostly focuses on engineering hard-engages and locking people down. If he were made melee and had his poke and defensive utility stripped in favor of better damage, CC, etc., then he'd have a solid niche and remain popular without being overpicked.
What's also important here, though, is that Thresh isn't the only support guilty of having an overloaded kit; he's just very prominent due to being one of the most played champions in the game (also likely for being a CertainlyT champion). A lot of other supports lack a well-defined niche (seriously, what is Nami's niche?), except a lot of them aren't as hated because they're not as popular. 
has point-and-click CC, AoE defense bonuses and a heal, plus fairly decent damage, but is just not that good to play most of the time, Sona's got access to literally ten different effects on her kit, but none of them are prominent enough to make her a popular competitive pick most of the time. Even 
, who's mostly peel-oriented, occasionally becomes too good an offensive pick, though unlike Thresh she keeps getting nerfed when that happens. Supports likely need a pass on their kits to give them stronger niches, and ideally that should mean Thresh should eventually have a less overloaded kit.
Onimus Terlain5 votesGood question. The only people who can answer that question work at Riot.
Silents4295 votesJack of all trades, and you can make any support seem overloaded if you are going to describe their kit that way. Besides all his abilities are weaker versions that other supports have.
Thresh is fine, bring the other supports to his level is what has to be done.
SlytherinUmbreon1 votesThe problem is, Riot will never do that. They're too busy nerfing other supports for being almost as good as Thresh.
Silents4291 votesYeah that's not why they get nerfed, and until people stop with such narrow minded thinking they might understand game balance better.
53436278DEL14 votestakes ksill unlike sona LOL
A Miss Fortune8 votesYeah but in Sona's current state, unless you main her you're going to be useless, and even then you might as well just play Nami. Thresh can mindlessly smash qwer and still make plays.
53436278DEL17 votes[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=H7VsMALQ,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-09-13T03:23:07.297+0000)
Yeah but in Sona's current state, unless you main her you're going to be useless, and even then you might as well just play Nami. Thresh can mindlessly smash qwer and still make plays.
didnt know his q e and w was point and click
A Miss Fortune3 votesHey, you could say Katarina's ult and W aren't point and click but you can see how much she smashes her QWER keys in.
TurquoiseYoshi4 votesSona? Isn't she like, the worst full support in the game?
Sire Hippington1 votesAll stattisitics suggest the opposite...
TurquoiseYoshi2 votesProbably because people have no idea what to do against her. Because people don't understand how her Q works.
The Yetii Rider4 votesThresh was created before the Season 3 support itemization rework, back when supports built Philosopher's Stone and boots and then wards.
No one wanted to play support so Riot attempted to entice by creating a champion who got free offensive and defensive scaling through the game without buying items.
Then they realized this wasn't enough so they gave that scaling to every other support, which made Leona and Thresh OP while causing all the AP supports to go mid so Riot snapped all their ankles off.
TripNichols3 votesOne Support to rule them all.
Matezoide3 votes''Can’t be good at everything, Janna''
Meep Man3 votesI don't know, you can screw up all of his skills unlike most Supports actually. I think it's because, compared to other Supports, he doesn't really have a passive. He gains infinite armor, but gets none per level. He gets ability power, but has terrible scaling.
Ichigoforthewin2 votesThresh is honestly a very hard character to play. You need to know how to play him to make him super effective bot lane. His overloaded kit becomes so op that you will constantly help your adc dominate bot, whoever it is. Hope this helped!
