Shaco

TeemoXNidalee··6 votes·1,056 views

His nerfs are unjustified. He may seem strong because of his winrate, but it's just inflated by the fact that people fear Shaco. Yes, he is not that strong, he is perfectly balanced right now if not a bit weak, proof of that is that he is rarely picked in competitive, and both times he was picked, his team lost. So people lose to Shaco because they fear him, while pros doesn't give a fuck and thus win. When people see Shaco on the enemy team, they play worse, hug tower, lose cs, lose lane dominance etc all because they're fearing that stealth gank, putting themselves at a disadvantage.

Also the only build that is even remotely close to being strong is bruiser, but the nerfs will target it the least while gutting AP Shaco that is already very weak.

Any Shaco build is vastly outclassed by other champions.

AP Shaco is nothing close to other AP assassins and burst mages. Bruiser is useless compared to proper bruisers lire Irelia and Jax. AD Shaco is dead. AS/Crit Shaco loses to any other adc, melee or ranged. Support Shaco is also dead.

All shacos are dead, those nerfs are just the final nail to his coffin, poor Shaco item 3070

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Taliyah Rocks7 votes

Because Shaco is a cheese champ and very annoying to play against.

He literally wins by cheesing the enemy team with his kit while also being able to one-shot squishies.

His kit is currently inherently strong without even needing to use cheese strats like clone baits, invades, jukes and etc. That means that player are able to do very well with him without even needing to use the champion to it's full potential.

Shaco has a lot of hidden power in his cheese kit, which means that when he is played to his full potential, he is very rewarding and can flip a game around.

That is why he is getting nerfed. You can't have both an innately strong kit AND the ability to make cheese plays and snowball a game.

Touch My Box3 votes

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Shaco has a lot of hidden power in his cheese kit, which means that when he is played to his full potential, he is very rewarding and can flip a game around.

That is why he is getting nerfed. You can't have both an innately strong kit AND the ability to make cheese plays and snowball a game.

But decent players don't fall for baits very often. So in a non low ELO environment, he has low cheese potential and now a weak kit.

Also, do elaborate on his strong kit.

Low base damage, if any. Low scaling. Average base stats. Lackluster CC.

Taliyah Rocks3 votes

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But decent players don't fall for baits very often. So in a non low ELO environment, he has low cheese potential and now a weak kit.

Also, do elaborate on his strong kit.

Low base damage, if any. Low scaling. Average base stats. Lackluster CC.

He can outtrade lots of people. He can outright duel most adc, and if he waits for their spells to be down, a mage is certainly no problem. He excels against straddlers. Early he can't one-shot people, but if you walk up to a half health target with Shaco, they're dead, especially if you have ignite. And it's not like it's hard to pull off with his stealth. In teamfights his ult offers a great distraction with decent damage, and if they happen to kill the clone, they're left with an AoE fear and even more damage from boxes. All this without factoring his cheese potential.

I can't tell for sure why he's not picked up by pro players, maybe because he hasn't been strong for long enough for them to pick them. Maybe they know that he is to get fixed with his current state so there's little point in picking him up. Or maybe they want someone even more reliable.

Touch My Box2 votes

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I can't tell for sure why he's not picked up by pro players, maybe because he hasn't been strong for long enough for them to pick them.

Right because pro players don't know whats strong before it is strong. Not like they eat, breathe and sleep League of Legends.

Taliyah Rocks1 votes

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Right because pro players don't know whats strong before it is strong. Not like they eat, breathe and sleep League of Legends.

It can take weeks of practice to master a champion. Some take less and some take more. Shaco is a hard champion to master to his full potential.

Take Kennen as an exemple. He was strong for a while, but nobody played him until pro players suddenly picked him up several months after his buffs.

Also a 55% winrate in Plat+ is just way overkill. 53% is manageable on generalist champs, but even then that would be too high for a niche/snowball champ like Shaco.

Hauling Ashe4 votes

This is basically every Shaco main post ever since the history of champion nerfs. Nothing to see here.

TeemoXNidalee2 votes

The only thing that is strong on him is the stealth, so if he fails to get kills with it early on he will have a hard time catching up. His early damage is pathetic, he can't solo anyone that is full health, he rely on his laner to kill with ganks and they're trashing his early damage even more so that all he will be able to do is literally basic attacks. His passive is getting nerfed, and Q's bonus damage is removed and now they increased Q's cooldown for no reason.

playboï cartï2 votes

Its so funny how thats actually 100% accurate. Shaco, yes does take quite about of creativity to play well, especially if he gets even slightly behind. I DONT, however, agree that hes a bad champion. For certain people, his kit just clicks in there head, and thus is what happened to Pink Ward and Shaclone, but for the most part, people in silver and bronze dont know SHIT on how to play this champ. So if your in those elos and go against a shaco jungle, just invade his blue camp, or JUST DONT CHASE HIM. IDGAF if you see him, just dont chase him and in lower elos, he wont scale WHATSOEVER.

WarHero541 votes

Can RIOT at least make boxes proc items like Liandrys and Morellonomicon and mastery like Thunderlord's at least on the first time the box hits the champion? Now that we lost Q damage there is no point for an AP shaco to buy spell applied items, because only E and Shaco's clone explosion will proc it. With this new nerf it kills AP shaco's late game badly (especially if most of the enemy team is bruiser/tanky).

Greyweed1 votes

Shaco as a champion is dead. You have to play bruiser or tank. No scalings ad no scalings ap. "assassin" Yeah. Joke's on us.

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