People think a "weak earlygame" is not being able to kill your lane opponent

Eedat·Mar 30, 2017·115 votes·5,838 views

Lmao try playing a champion with an ACTUAL weak early game. One where getting a kill on your lane opponent is a laughable joke. One where you're desperately struggling to not die to get a few CS.

Try playing into a just once

Try attempting to lane as or against this monstrosity just once

Being forced to farm with 550 range autos and 800+ range abilities is NOT a "weak early game". Try playing a champion where you can't even farm under your tower without risk of dying. Oh the wave isn't at your tower? Have fun getting ZERO farm.

You have absolutely no idea what a weak early game even is anymore

196 Comments

Troll for TrumpMar 31, 201725 votes

TBH Wuk does his fair share of bullying too.

And basically everything is weak vs Panth

Try playing Aatrox

EedatMar 31, 20177 votes

Wukong has a notoriously bad early game. Crippled with no damage without items, zero sustain, big mana problems, and terrible waveclear.

Even some other champs with bad early games dominate him. Trundle Yasuo Tryndamere

while also getting dominated by any tank once they get a chain vest.

He does have some winning matchups though Vladimir Nasus Gnar

RexSaurMar 31, 201715 votes

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Wukong has a notoriously bad early game. Crippled with no damage without items, zero sustain, big mana problems, and terrible waveclear.

Even some other champs with bad early games dominate him.

while also getting dominated by any tank once they get a chain vest.

He does have some winning matchups though

Wukong can kill ppl at lvl 2 and snowball that way.

His E has a ridiculously low CD at base even at rank 1 so you can spam that shit and trade.

EedatMar 31, 20175 votes

Lol all in who?

Loses to: Riven Darius Pantheon Quinn Tryndamere Trundle Renekton Garen Kled Swain Talon Nautilus Singed Sion Malphite Fiora

Level 2 Wukong all in is garbage He has shit damage without items

WimbledofyMar 31, 20173 votes

can win to riven, tryndamere, and talon with his all in if done right.

EedatMar 31, 20176 votes

Tryndamere absolutely annihilates Wukong. This is by far my most feared matchup. He will sustain through your harass and at level 6 its a completely one sided shitshow. By midgame you cant go anywhere near him. He will turret dive and kill you.

The only time you can beat Riven is if she wastes all her CDs which probably means its a garbage Riven to begin with.

Old Talon was easy but new Talons level 2 damage is completely nuts. He will harass you out of lane no problem

ShaolinToiletMar 31, 20171 votes

Doesn't lose too hard to fiora or darius

EedatMar 31, 20171 votes

Fiora is a skill matchup to be fair but Darius absolutely destroys Wu. Its not even close.

Sexy Jack RabbitMar 31, 20171 votes

Tbh Fiora makes everything a skill match up. That's not a problem with Wukong, that's a problem with Fiora.

Faceroll TacticsMar 31, 20171 votes

How is making matchups based on skill and outplaying a problem? That's a design miracle

Sexy Jack RabbitMar 31, 20171 votes

Their point was that Wukong being weak made a Vs Fiora lane a skill match up, implying that's normally not the case.

Faceroll TacticsMar 31, 20172 votes

Ok, I just see a lot that fiora making everything a skill matchup is a bad thing, when ideally everything should be that way to an extent.

Big LincolnMar 31, 201711 votes

it really depends on how much sustain they have vs you

it's very likely that you OOM trying to combo them repeatedly before you actually manage the kill, it's usually ignite cheese that lets him pull it off vs other shitty early game champs

dunder killMar 31, 20179 votes

Wukong doesn't have a good level 2 all in. Theres a few matchups where he can bully but besides those very limited matchups hes all about the level 6 all-in

At level 2, his rank 1 Q has a base damage of 30 and only has a 10% armor shred which is nothing. It also only has a 0.1 AD ratio. His rank 1 E has a base damage of 60 and it has a 0.8 bonus AD ratio. Bonus AD ratios do jack shit without items.

How do you think a level 2 combo with 90 base damage and absolutely god awful ratios is strong? Not to mention his passive is complete trash in a 1v1. Legit 4 Armor and MR at this point. FOUR.

Don't forget you'll also be tanking all the creeps at level 2 as well.

Blue Moon WolfMar 31, 20173 votes

Spamming abilities with Wukong is the fastest way to make yourself have to hug a tower hoping for an opportunity to recall. The only one that is even remotely okay to spam at early levels is his Q since it doesn't go up in cost, and even then you will be running out of item 2033 charges before you know it.

BisaknospMar 31, 20171 votes

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Wukong has a notoriously bad early game. Crippled with no damage without items, zero sustain, big mana problems, and terrible waveclear.

Even some other champs with bad early games dominate him.

while also getting dominated by any tank once they get a chain vest.

He does have some winning matchups though

i've seen some wukong vs irelia lanes wukong legit always won i cant remember 1 irelia that won her lane against him xd

EedatMar 31, 20174 votes

Its an even lane tbh. Can go either way. Irelia is extremely weak until like level 4 though

Guyy FieriMar 31, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Wukong has a notoriously bad early game. Crippled with no damage without items, zero sustain, big mana problems, and terrible waveclear.

Even some other champs with bad early games dominate him.

while also getting dominated by any tank once they get a chain vest.

He does have some winning matchups though

Wukong beats bad Gnar players, a good Gnar can win that lane easy

EedatMar 31, 20172 votes

Maybe a good Gnar can beat a bad Wu, but Gnar is a ridiculously easy lane for me

WyrmbladeMar 31, 20172 votes

To be honest I have no fucking clue how to beat Wukong in the early game. Fucker just does so much damage so fast that I have no idea what I can do before he goes invisible, same with Renekton.

Aatrox though has a super fucking good early game, he's one of the only champions I often feel confident diving in at level three on. He can't even be properly bullied by ranged cancer because of his sustain and ability to CS with E.

EedatMar 31, 20172 votes

What are you playing?

midnight oil24Mar 30, 201723 votes

So, so true.

That being said, you could stand to phrase this more politely.

EedatMar 30, 201773 votes

No regrets

JVP15Mar 31, 201726 votes

http://i.imgur.com/OG2hHwW.jpg

AimléssMar 31, 20177 votes

Lol is this like a shot at bot lane? You top laners don't understand. At least you can build tanky and won't pop like a balloon. Bot lane is a horror, one Blitzcrank hook and you're at fountain. misses everything, E > R, you're at fountain. Try to farm in confidence with one of them waiting in a bush.

macromiteMar 31, 20174 votes

I mean, there are tanky options you bot laners can choose.

phantom dancer, early ga, botrk to give lifesteal and round out damage

Weight of LawMar 31, 201719 votes

an early ga will cripple your damage for a pretty long time as adc's are item reliant and a BotRK is not a tanky option, it is a sustain option, so it won't help when getting basically oneshot by some supports/support-adc combos

macromiteMar 31, 20173 votes

let me tell you a secret about that damage gimp thing.

Dying instantly gimps your damage more in the long run than not dying instantly.

Also another secret. Sustain is a tank mechanic, and you are really getting the botrk to help with your damage from needing to build that tanky thing.

RavenMagusMar 31, 20175 votes

wait, are you seriously suggesting a marksman should build first item GA?

huh, and I thought this wasn't a joke thread

crippler38Mar 31, 20173 votes

what about item 3156 item 3139 item 3814

Or are these bad ideas to get relatively early as well, maybe not first item but maybe second or third if you're at risk of being instagibbed by magic or cc anyway?

AimléssMar 31, 20178 votes

Those are terrible second items on most ADCs. Riot has made it so most crit ADC's have to rush 2 of item 3085 item 3031 item 3153 item 3508 item 3046 item 3087 in order to be relevant mid game. Postpone it with a defensive item and you will be useless as hell.

crippler38Mar 31, 20172 votes

what about lethality adcs then?

It Hertz When IPMar 31, 20174 votes

We don't talk about them 'round here.

AimléssMar 31, 20172 votes

Even a lethality ADC can only viably build EON and get away with it.

NvestmentPlankerMar 31, 20175 votes

seriously...? this PC/hypersensitive culture is frankly bullshit and raising a bunch of pussies that will have no idea how to handle the real world. and before you call me a Republican and say I voted for Trump, I'm an Independent and didn't vote.

Chromatic EagleMar 31, 20175 votes

I shudder to think what a lot of people on the internet consider to be pc culture.

Sexy Jack RabbitMar 31, 20172 votes

UHM!? DID YOU JUST SAY "SHUDDER" OMG YOU TUMBLR TURD /s

midnight oil24Mar 31, 201723 votes

Um... I was just... saying people will be more willing to listen if he phrases it politely. No need to have a mental breakdown, man. Is everything ok?

NvestmentPlankerMar 31, 20173 votes

because his choice of words had "aggressive" undertones you say "you could say it more politely" lol. ridiculous. didn't even use one curse word and you're still saying he could be more polite. do you have a safe space already or shall i purchase you one?

SteelMankindMar 31, 201717 votes

Except they weren't breaking down in tears and crying about the injustice of the world, they were just saying that it would be possible for the OP to phrase their topic in a less aggressive manner. Nothing overly sensitive about that, just preferring positivity to negativity, which is a pretty reasonable thing to do.

NesdayitMar 31, 20176 votes

Fuck PC

VerandureMar 31, 201712 votes

Yeah! Nintendo master-race!

Yi BencheikhMar 31, 20177 votes

trying to lane as Gangplank against Pantheon is indeed shitty....

MetallmeisterMar 31, 20176 votes

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BIAKabooseMar 31, 20179 votes

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A Kindred has a weak ~~early~~ game against a Graves.

Am I doing meme-y sentence corrections right?

Sexy Jack RabbitMar 31, 20171 votes

I don't disagree at all. but tbh Vayne, Nasus, kinda-Lux and Kindred all kind of lack early-game strength no matter the match-up.

I think against any1 these champions are going to struggle to duel early game.

Not the best examples, but you are correct.

SH AzykanMar 31, 20171 votes

lux actually has some great early game matchups. Cassiopeia is one where lux just straight up out threat ranges cass, and cass will oom if she tries to fight lux. granted cass is going to pump out a lot more sustained damage, but lux is not a fun lane to try and farm and scale vs when she starts 2 shotting waves and roaming for halfway down river ult snipes on bot lane

Sexy Jack RabbitMar 31, 20172 votes

I mean tbh Lux out-range about 80% of the roster. That's part of her class. She's an Artilery Burst mage effectively.

Lux isn't really going to 2 shot any waves unless she's got ludens, which is normally 3rd, after Morello and boots.

Cass hasn't got that great of an early game either, it's just that a majority of Lux's laning is dependent on a combo that shouldn't exist. Her being able to proc TLD with E + AA isn't balanced or fair, but it's the only thing keeping her relevant pre-6.

Big LincolnMar 31, 20175 votes

it's funny cos "weak early game" ADCs still completely shut out any and all melee opposition from level 1 unless they're the support and are accompanied by an ADC themselves. oh and they also outscale all of those melees exponentially

i can't recall a babysitter support ever making sure I get to farm safely as Nasus so I could be a big boy later on

charge attackMar 31, 201711 votes

Because Nasus actually spikes mid game not late game - when no one can deal with his damage (not enough tankiness) and his tankiness (not enough damage). Late game he gets shredded and his lifesteal means nothing because he's only able to Q tanks aka not healing for much.

Investing in a Nasus isn't worth because a vayne will do exponentially more damage at that time while also being unlivable.